Tournament Discrepensies

[BlackFoot]

no one has adressed the imbalance because its UO and the entire game is imbalanced to some character doing somthing
a smith can make better weaposn than my pvper, if we had a contest to see who could smith better stuff my pvper would lose, thats unfair lets balance it
the game is unbalanced
its about chosing some pros and cons with your character
you for some reason decided that you really dont want to use cure scrolls and you cant win a pvp contest because of it that is your decision

i want to knwo why my dexxer with 0 magery cant cast ebolts but a mage can? that is unfair. thsi is your logic

-wands-its free use anyone can use em even if they dont have eval. anyone can use poison pots even if they dont have poisoning, it doesnt mean they will be effective
you still havnt given a real differntiation between poison pots/offensive wands
you need to realzie with 0 eval and 100 resist the wands dont disrupt
poisoning is 100% crafting during this era, its the same argument as having to have blacksmtihing in order to use smithed weapons in a match

[draggle]

The imbalance of the era is also not in question. It has justly been repeated that mages owned dexxers (for the most part) in this era. However, this is a shard run event unrelated to the balance in field fights. A restriction is being put on one type of fighter but not another. It is my opinion that because this is a shard run event and has nothing to do with T2A osi, there should be some consistency. Restrict all player types the same way (remove poison all together) or lift the restriction on everyone (dexxers and mages that have poisoning in their template).

I apologize if i have missed something, but flash's question still has yet to be answered.

[draggle]

Also, in my opinion, FUCK BARDS!!!! Those little shits macro for a few hours and claim that they deserve trophies? Let them buy their trophies with the gold they so easily make. That or learn to play bagball.

[BMOORE1974]

Draggle,

I was'nt going to post anymore, BUT since you decided to grace us with your simple, childish, retarded wizdom, i felt the need to enlighten you a bit.

1. Not everyone is a trophy hunter like yourself
2. Unbeliveable as it might seem to your mind.. some ppl role play bards and dont afk there skills
3. Some may agree/disagree but a char. with music/provo/taming/healing/vet/animal lore/resist , I would call a bard: now PLEASE tell me how to macro this char. (save me some time later)
4. You will understand more if you just STOP, RELAX, GET A FRIEND TO HELP YOU WITH THE BIG WORDS and read blackfoots post's slowly... just go back and read the last few nice and slow and for gods sake THINK please THINK.


Now i do agree that poison should be allowed in turny's for everyone or no one. ( just to make it simple stupid for people like yourself) but hateing and wanting all bards out cause you cant beat them in the survival game C-MON your a HATER

read this slowly blackfoot wrote this but you must of over looked it / missed it / couldn't respond to it or didn't comprehend it so take your time.... READ SLOW

BLACKFOOT wrote :

no one has adressed the imbalance because its UO and the entire game is imbalanced to some character doing somthing
a smith can make better weaposn than my pvper, if we had a contest to see who could smith better stuff my pvper would lose, thats unfair lets balance it
the game is unbalanced
its about chosing some pros and cons with your character
you for some reason decided that you really dont want to use cure scrolls and you cant win a pvp contest because of it that is your decision


And you say what to that ?

[draggle]

I was'nt going to post anymore, BUT since you decided to grace us with your simple, childish, retarded wizdom, i felt the need to enlighten you a bit.

This unprovoked flaming seems simple and childish.

1. Not everyone is a trophy hunter like yourself

I haven't actually even participate in events in a few months and believe i have a very open mind to the fairness and balance of the two events being debated.

2. Unbeliveable as it might seem to your mind.. some ppl role play bards and dont afk there skills
3. Some may agree/disagree but a char. with music/provo/taming/healing/vet/animal lore/resist , I would call a bard: now PLEASE tell me how to macro this char. (save me some time later)

This particular template will only allow music, provoke and healing to be used in the survival event. Three skills that are macro'd. Even if you role played yours, an extremely limited number of other players did the same. I will just repeat my original stance. Go buy your trophies or win them in bag balls. Let people who put some actual time into their characters earn a trophy in survival.

4. You will understand more if you just STOP, RELAX, GET A FRIEND TO HELP YOU WITH THE BIG WORDS and read blackfoots post's slowly... just go back and read the last few nice and slow and for gods sake THINK please THINK.

The only big words I see are your caps lock. Again, this unprovoked flaming seems simple and childish.

Now i do agree that poison should be allowed in turny's for everyone or no one. ( just to make it simple stupid for people like yourself) but hateing and wanting all bards out cause you cant beat them in the survival game C-MON your a HATER

Again I dont even participate in events nor do I have a gm poisoner to use if it does get implemented. Also, i am not hating on Bards. They have a perfectly respectable place waiting for them in the bagball queue.

I will have to break this next quote up

BLACKFOOT wrote :

no one has adressed the imbalance because its UO and the entire game is imbalanced to some character doing somthing
a smith can make better weaposn than my pvper, if we had a contest to see who could smith better stuff my pvper would lose, thats unfair lets balance it
the game is unbalanced

This is simply a ridiculous analogy. We are talking about the fairness of one pvp style compared to another pvp style. Not a pvper trying to craft or a thief trying to tame. These tournaments would be balanced if they had not had restrictions placed on them in the first place. So lift the restrictions or restrict everyone. No ambiguous, irrelevant, off-topic analogy can justify why mages can poison and dexxers can't.

its about chosing some pros and cons with your character
you for some reason decided that you really dont want to use cure scrolls and you cant win a pvp contest because of it that is your decision

And you say what to that ?

This is simply off topic. Lets say we do use cure scrolls (which everyone should do) or every dexxer will start using them, this still does not answer the question above. Cure scrolls are not part of the imbalance. There truly has not been a concrete answer as to why there are restrictions on dexxers that mages somehow evade.

[draggle]

Also, in my opinion, FUCK BARDS!!!! Those little shits macro for a few hours and claim that they deserve trophies? Let them buy their trophies with the gold they so easily make. That or learn to play bagball.

[venox]

i guess your wrong your bad. black foot cared to read it!

-wands-its free use anyone can use em even if they dont have eval. anyone can use poison pots even if they dont have poisoning, it doesnt mean they will be effective
you still havnt given a real differntiation between poison pots/offensive wands
you need to realzie with 0 eval and 100 resist the wands dont disrupt
poisoning is 100% crafting during this era, its the same argument as having to have blacksmtihing in order to use smithed weapons in a match

i agree poisoning is only crafting if they poisoned weapon is given to another player. if it is for use with the own character its pvp.

and i guess you just emphasize something for me blackfoot. but it does prove the biased the of the pvp system.
but to extend on your question what the different to an offensive wand to a katana or a halberd or a skinning knife or mage spells or vanqs.
its censorship.
why should the censorship line lie where it is. we could just censor out any pvp skill if we so wished!

the poison skill has been proved to be a pvp skill and used in every manner like magery. yet it is been censored.
why?

[platy]

the poison skill has been proved to be a pvp skill and used in every manner like magery. yet it is been censored.
why?

This thread should be locked because venox is only willing to talk.. not listen
This quote is so idiotic and contradicting what EVERYONE knows/ stated...
Enough already: When your wrong, you need to accept it, constantly saying these retarded statements doesn't make them true. I'm at the point now where I think your just writing responses because you like to see your post count rise.. You've been told numerous times this is not the case: open your eyes: You Are Wrong..Period.

[BlackFoot]

everyone needs to realize that chosing certain skills over other ones creates different plus/minuses for your char
if you want to 'balance' the game then you need to have events where only 7x mages with 100/25/100 are allowed tofight each other
ctf events can only have the exact same nbumber of participants with the exact same skills and stats
everyone needs to have the exact same equipment
only dexxers of the exact same build and skills should be allwoed to fight each other, if they are eating food for stam they must be eating the exact same food during the tourny
the idea of balance is outlandish
and the idea that a mages poison even compares in the slightest to a poisoned weapon is assinine
if i wanted to poison somone the same amount of times as a poisoned kryss it would take me 5 minutes and 300 mana and i wouldnt be able to cast anything else cause i woudl have to chain cast it
the poison between the two are worlds apart
this is all brought up because somone decided they didnt want to use their char
they wanted to click and chase and not have to think, not have to say, hm whats my bandage timer, when do i need to use this cure scroll to ensure my heal works properly, how will i unequip and cast and requip efficiently
i dont want to have to think about these thigns i jsut want to clicka nd chase

trying to compare mage poison to a poisoned wep is a falicy

poisoning during this era is 100% crafting, as in you build it on a different char and use it on another with no penalty/bonus
if you want to say you need the crafting skill to use the item in tourny that woudl go for every crafting skill/item which we all agree doesnt make sense
poisoning is as much a pvp skill as blacksmithing
so if i put 100 blacksmith on my dexxer it is now a pvp skill
but if i put it on my crafter it is a crafting skill
i can build kryss mid match encase mine breaks or becomes damaged so its a pvp skill <--

[youre bad]

its censorship.

LOL

[draggle]

As I have stated in my posts, I don't even participate in events. I'm curious though, would dexxers being able to poison shift the scale of the game that much? Why not just give them poison if they can poison? The people that are here don't seem to have magery to cure your poison or the ability to cast gheal if necessary. So why is everyone so against pvpers (both dexxers and mages) with poisoning using GP on their weapon. Will it really completely change the event?

[Mazer]

As I have stated in my posts, I don't even participate in events. I'm curious though, would dexxers being able to poison shift the scale of the game that much? Why not just give them poison if they can poison? The people that are here don't seem to have magery to cure your poison or the ability to cast gheal if necessary. So why is everyone so against pvpers (both dexxers and mages) with poisoning using GP on their weapon. Will it really completely change the event?

Without a doubt, would ruin 1v1 tournaments. Hell, a change like that may persuade me into making a nox dexxer. More likely though, I'd just not bother with tournies.

[draggle]

Well it just seems to me that this tournament is heavily favored towards mages. Mages can poison, but dexxers with poisoning skill can't. Mages can eat limitless food (equivalent to allowing total refresh pot) and avoid stam lock, but no other "pots" are allowed. I feel like allowing poisoning would help bring some balance to the game without changing it too much. I mean, mages just heal through it anyway. I think testing it would be the best solution to this thread, instead of unproductive bickering.

[BlackFoot]

stop comparing poisoning with the skill to magic spell poison
any dexxer out there can cast the poison spell

during eras when poisoning skill added somthing to the combat usefullness this entire arguement would have a leg to stand
in t2a it does not

at the start of this thread i really thought that giving it a try and seeing what happened was the best solution. but after reading pages and pages or terrible arguments i think that adding poisoning to tournaments would be the worst idea ever it shoudlnt even be considered

[Ronk]

Unlimited eating = lame.