Event rules writeup? Where can I find them?

[Xukluk Tuguznal]

they have anyhting goes tournys
i think they are workin out a more concrete schedule for them
but real tournys gotta stay hwo it was t2a

I have read through the back and fourth here...

Blackfoot. Here is the point i think you are missing.

You have to have a tank to compete in the tourney. Healing is nerfed, no cure pots means your aids are basically worthless against a good opp, no poisoned weps, and a very small place to run. How is this "how it was in t2a"??? It isn’t at all...

All these things slant the tourney entirely towards mages/tanks. even no magics prob slant towards mages as a dexer in invuln with a vanq is probably more damaging than a vanq hally/kat? Not sure...

Im not saying tourneys are wrong or should be changed but to compete you need to be the same 6x as everyone else and pick between swords and mace.

There is no variety and to some no fun in that. People seem to think that winning these tourney means they are the best at PvP... in fact, all it means is you are really good at doing the same repetitive tasks because of limited strategies being used against you.

By the tourney being promoted as a PvP event all classes should be able to participate and be on even ground... But they cant.

I think that is the point... the whole thing is slanted towards mage/tanks... its not a PvP event.... its a mage/tank event and all the winners should be known for is being good at pulling off the same combo's and getting lucky with a killshot-lightning...

Dont get me wrong... im not trying to say it doesn’t take skill(and there are some really skilled PvP'ers in these)... But it is skill based off rules that arnt T2A... which i think is contradictory to your last post.

DING! DING! DING!!!!


Down goes Blackfoot! Down goes Blackfoot! lol

There is the point right there. Kudos Hoots.

It was nice watching the finishing rounds of the duels. Hally .vs. Hally, pre prepped Exp, or Heals. Show me the one that goes against the grain and comes out on top and I will say.. He's Badass! Everyone seems to be riding the tide at the moment.

[Hoots]

DING! DING! DING!!!!


Down goes Blackfoot! Down goes Blackfoot! lol

There is the point right there. Kudos Hoots.

It was nice watching the finishing rounds of the duels. Hally .vs. Hally, pre prepped Exp, or Heals. Show me the one that goes against the grain and comes out on top and I will say.. He's Badass! Everyone seems to be riding the tide at the moment.

It is nice to be agreed with... but dont take my post as an insult foot. Just putting my 2 cents in and happen to disagree with you.

Good luck with the taming!

[youre bad]

Hoots, your whole point is moot because you are assuming people are bad at UO. Add magery to your dexer and you can easily compete in a tourney, and yes he is still a dexer.

[BlackFoot]

i still dont understand how this is tilted to a hally/macer mage when players who know how to use their dexxer can win so easily

get magery on your dexxer, win a tournament and then realize you are wrong

[Hoots]

Hoots, your whole point is moot because you are assuming people are bad at UO. Add magery to your dexer and you can easily compete in a tourney, and yes he is still a dexer.

Sure, make a heal dexer and precast GH... those fights are great.

Adding magery isnt or shouldnt be the answer.

Everytime i hear complaints about the tourney i see the exact same answer

"Add Magery"

Why is it so hard for people to understand that some people would like to play a different style? Why is it so hard for people to understand that if you invest your 700 skill points into things like healing/anatomy/posioning/etc. that YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO ADD MAGERY TO COMPETE..

There is no answer besides "add magery"

which brings us back to the same issue. everyone doing the same repetative sh1t. over and over which honestly doesnt interest me that much or prove to me who is the lootest.

And you can save the questions on what templates i have. I do infact have a 7X tank. (A real 7x) Im not that great with him as i find playing him is boring bc i keep doing the same damn combos over and over and i feel who ever gets a lucky hally hit in is the winner.

[Slade]

And you can save the questions on what templates i have. I do infact have a 7X tank. (A real 7x) Im not that great with him as i find playing him is boring bc i keep doing the same damn combos over and over and i feel who ever gets a lucky hally hit in is the winner.

Yeah, but don't tell your average PvP kiddie that. It takes SKILL to land those 40 damage halberd hits so your precast + follow up combo will finish them off.

[youre bad]

1. The same pvpers win the tournaments over and over, and it is not because they shit four-leafed clovers (although some changes could be made to reduce the luck factor).

2. There doesn't need to be another argument other than "get magery". You need magery to compete in Ultima Online. It is the most important skill, it should be on every single character you have, it was that way during T2a, and it will remain that way. If you don't want magery, too fucking bad go play another game. You can mess around in the field without magery because you can run 87,000 miles on a mount.

3. There could be similar stupid arguments such as: it isn't fair that mages need a weapon skill to compete in tournaments.

4. Go find another event.

[Mazer]

And you can save the questions on what templates i have. I do infact have a 7X tank. (A real 7x) Im not that great with him as i find playing him is boring bc i keep doing the same damn combos over and over and i feel who ever gets a lucky hally hit in is the winner.

Yeah, but don't tell your average PvP kiddie that. It takes SKILL to land those 40 damage halberd hits so your precast + follow up combo will finish them off.

You gotta ask yourself a few questions.

Why is it that certain people win half the tourneys they enter?
Can it really be all about lucky halberd hits?
Would making tournaments more friendly to dexxers, a class that relies on nothing but weapon hits, result in more 'skillful' tournaments?

[Slade]

You gotta ask yourself a few questions.

Why is it that certain people win half the tourneys they enter?

Because they are privy to the finisher combos, and have the tactile dexterity to execute them correctly. I.E. they are skilled at their template and excel when facing others with the same template.

Can it really be all about lucky halberd hits?

What percentage of the overall contribution to victory does the RNG responsible for halberd damage account for?

100%? No.

95%? No.

75%? Probably.

Would making tournaments more friendly to dexxers, a class that relies on nothing but weapon hits, result in more 'skillful' tournaments?

That depends on the specific intended outcome of any changes. "Skillful" is a bit vague.

Skilled at what? Playing a tank mage template? Well then I guess you'd have to keep the "dexxers" out of it because they wouldn't be able to express their skill level if they aren't using the correct template at the time, now would they?


I'd also like to point out that I'm just playing devils advocate here. I play a tank mage in these tournaments currently. The last tournament I entered on Sunday, I believe it was you, Mazer, that I defeated to advance. I seem to recall you typing "[uninstall" afterward.


How did this thread get derailed so badly?

[Hoots]

And you can save the questions on what templates i have. I do infact have a 7X tank. (A real 7x) Im not that great with him as i find playing him is boring bc i keep doing the same damn combos over and over and i feel who ever gets a lucky hally hit in is the winner.

Yeah, but don't tell your average PvP kiddie that. It takes SKILL to land those 40 damage halberd hits so your precast + follow up combo will finish them off.

You gotta ask yourself a few questions.

Why is it that certain people win half the tourneys they enter?
Can it really be all about lucky halberd hits?
Would making tournaments more friendly to dexxers, a class that relies on nothing but weapon hits, result in more 'skillful' tournaments?

Good questions.

As i said in my main post there are people who are much more skillful at tournies than others... Im not trying to take anything away from the guys who are good at it... you are a hell of alot better at it than me..

But i do think very often it comes down to lucky weapon hits. Just watch the first 30 seconds of most fights... its the exact same spam combos by both players a good bit of the time. Someone ends up landing a hally and one goes on O while the other goes on D... this can repeat for many times in a fight but if you zoom out it is all the same stuff over and over again to me... Is this skill? Different people casting the exact same spells? Same concept can be said to a dexer i guess.

The Dexer issue is tough bc a dexer can compete in the field but the tourney rules really gimp him.

It will be interesting to see how the "anything goes" tourneys work out.

And to You're bad... as usual your post isnt worth responding to.

[youre bad]

And to You're bad... as usual your post uses too much logic for my brain to comprehend.

[BlackFoot]

The Dexer issue is tough bc a dexer can compete in the field but the tourney rules really gimp him. <--- this is untrue tourny rules trap their opponent in a little box, what more could a dexer ask for

i have won far more of these tournaments on my dexxer than on my mage and i play 85% of tournys on my mage

[Ronk]

The Dexer issue is tough bc a dexer can compete in the field but the tourney rules really gimp him. <--- this is untrue tourny rules trap their opponent in a little box, what more could a dexer ask for

i have won far more of these tournaments on my dexxer than on my mage and i play 85% of tournys on my mage

By trap in a little box you mean trapped in range of the magic with no cover, right? ^_^ Just look at the last man standing...people start off with an earth quake because theres no avoiding it. If it was a 2 square by 2 square box id say it would highly benefit the dexxer...the size it is does not offer any benefit to a dexxer.

[BlackFoot]

that is a rediculous statement

[Mazer]

You gotta ask yourself a few questions.

Why is it that certain people win half the tourneys they enter?

Because they are privy to the finisher combos, and have the tactile dexterity to execute them correctly. I.E. they are skilled at their template and excel when facing others with the same template.

Great, now avoid saying stuff like this:

Can it really be all about lucky halberd hits?

What percentage of the overall contribution to victory does the RNG responsible for halberd damage account for?

100%? No.

95%? No.

75%? Probably.

Would making tournaments more friendly to dexxers, a class that relies on nothing but weapon hits, result in more 'skillful' tournaments?

That depends on the specific intended outcome of any changes. "Skillful" is a bit vague.

Skilled at what? Playing a tank mage template? Well then I guess you'd have to keep the "dexxers" out of it because they wouldn't be able to express their skill level if they aren't using the correct template at the time, now would they?

I simply pointed out the idiocy of arguing that mage PvP is on the same level as dexxer PvP. Yes, any fight vs a dexxer (be it a mage or another dexxer) is usually lame as the dexxer is banking purely on dice rolls and a mage is hoping for some misses.

The last tournament I entered on Sunday, I believe it was you, Mazer, that I defeated to advance. I seem to recall you typing "[uninstall" afterward.

“[uninstall” means “crap, I just lost to someone I should have beaten” but gf.