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Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:00 am
by Teh LawL Firm
Tbh, I prefer they do this, I'd rather them spend all the time gathering regs for me so i can just goto a vendor and buy them bulk then to sit at a vendor and buy them and wait for more. Your paying a little extra to buy them off vendors but your also saving alot of time not buying them off a vendor. You can make alot of gold in the time it takes for the vendor to restock anyways.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:19 am
by Rykker
This is still pretty annoying for fairly new players like myself trying to get established and have a healthy amount of gold on hand. I'm pretty poor to be honest, and don't feel like paying close to 4gp per reagent as opposed to 3 from a vendor. It's beyong annoying going from city to city and not being able to find more than 50 of each reg.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 4:45 pm
by Hicha
Rykker wrote:This is still pretty annoying for fairly new players like myself trying to get established and have a healthy amount of gold on hand. I'm pretty poor to be honest, and don't feel like paying close to 4gp per reagent as opposed to 3 from a vendor. It's beyong annoying going from city to city and not being able to find more than 50 of each reg.
You need to build up the reg vendors to get more out of them. Whenever you buyout a vendor (and this applies to pretty much any NPC) they will double their stock the second time around. Reg vendors stock every 30 minutes, keep visiting the same vendors and eventually their stock will hit cap.
The issue here is players being able to afk purchase regs and sell on their vendors for profit. While i agree this heavily relies on players to purchase the regs as well as supply and demand, its still a form of resource gathering in my book.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:12 am
by Trephination
Kaivan wrote: This is because of the fact that resources must be expended in order to acquire the reagents, while other means of resource gathering largely require nothing to be expended at all, and come with a substantial gain attached to them.
AFK Resource Gathering
Upfront cost
yeilds a substantial gain.
AFK Reg Gathering
Upfront cost yeilds a
substantial gain. (50k a day EASY... AFK... read on)
- Joining the Mages guild (500g 1x fee to join)
o what you get is this
> 3g regs now cost 2g
>4g regs now cost 3g
>6g regs now cost 4g
They then sell the regs for more than NON mage guild prices...
So when they sell Black Pearl...
they pay 4g per... and sell it for 7-8g
They are selling TENS of THOUSANDS of regs a day... at 2-3g profit per... thats a HUGE profit... DAILY!!
Think about how many stacks off 1k of
EACH reg you see on each vendor... RESTOCKED EACH DAY...
Who cares what the UPFRONT cost is??
IT YEILDS
"SUBSTANTIAL GAIN"... AFK... WITH NO RISK... AT ... ALL ... LESS RISK THAN MINING...
How many ingots would I have to mine up a day to profit 50k a day like AFK reg buying does?
When people were hoarding all the polar bears on ICE... OSI changed how they spawned so tamers could gain skill again.
When hoarding sheep screwed over tamers ability to get cloth... OSI changed how that worked...
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:25 am
by Pirul
I get it that you are new and all, but most of your post is wrong. Allow me to reply on your own text:
Trephination wrote:Kaivan wrote: This is because of the fact that resources must be expended in order to acquire the reagents, while other means of resource gathering largely require nothing to be expended at all, and come with a substantial gain attached to them.
AFK Resource Gathering
Upfront cost
yeilds a substantial gain.
AFK Reg Gathering
Upfront cost yeilds a
substantial gain. (50k a day EASY... AFK... read on)
- Joining the Mages guild (500g 1x fee to join)
o what you get is this
> 3g regs now cost 2g
(NOT THE CASE, 3gp REGS STILL COST 3gp)
>4g regs now cost 3g
(AGAIN WRONG, THERE ARE NO 4gp REGS)
>6g regs now cost 4g
(AND ONCE AGAIN, THERE ARE NO 6gp REGS, THERE ARE 5gp REGS THAT NOW COST 4gp)
They then sell the regs for more than NON mage guild prices...
So when they sell Black Pearl...
they pay 4g per... and sell it for 7-8g
(I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU SHOP, BUT THIS SHOP HAS THEM FOR .75gp OVER COST)
They are selling TENS of THOUSANDS of regs a day... at 2-3g profit per... thats a HUGE profit... DAILY!!
Think about how many stacks off 1k of
EACH reg you see on each vendor... RESTOCKED EACH DAY...
Who cares what the UPFRONT cost is??
IT YEILDS
"SUBSTANTIAL GAIN"... AFK... WITH NO RISK... AT ... ALL ... LESS RISK THAN MINING...
(a.- YOU NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE WILLING AND CAPABLE OF BUYING AND b.- NO NEW GOLD IS BEING INTRODUCED INTO THE ECONOMY, IT IS ONLY CHANGING HANDS)
How many ingots would I have to mine up a day to profit 50k a day like AFK reg buying does?
(LIKE 10K @ NPC PRICES, 7K AT MARKET PRICE, THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT IF YOU SELL THEM TO NPC's, WHICH YOU CAN, YOU ARE INTRODUCING NEW GOLD INTO THE ECONOMY)
When people were hoarding all the polar bears on ICE... OSI changed how they spawned so tamers could gain skill again.
(NOT IN OUR ERA, SO NEA)
When hoarding sheep screwed over tamers ability to get cloth... OSI changed how that worked...
(SEE ABOVE)
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:28 am
by Galendae
Kaivan wrote:As of now, our rules on AFK resource gathering do not include purchasing reagents. This is because of the fact that resources must be expended in order to acquire the reagents, while other means of resource gathering largely require nothing to be expended at all, and come with a substantial gain attached to them.
Like AFK Rares gathering? You plan to put Rammar out of business? Good! Long over due. Patiently waiting for you to ban his 15 accounts and condemn his shit. Should have been done a year ago.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:34 am
by Pirul
Galendae wrote:Kaivan wrote:As of now, our rules on AFK resource gathering do not include purchasing reagents. This is because of the fact that resources must be expended in order to acquire the reagents, while other means of resource gathering largely require nothing to be expended at all, and come with a substantial gain attached to them.
Like AFK Rares gathering? You plan to put Rammar out of business? Good! Long over due. Patiently waiting for you to ban his 15 accounts and condemn his shit. Should have been done a year ago.
Please take your rage to the appropriate thread.
CLICK HERE.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:35 pm
by Blaise
Galendae wrote:Kaivan wrote:As of now, our rules on AFK resource gathering do not include purchasing reagents. This is because of the fact that resources must be expended in order to acquire the reagents, while other means of resource gathering largely require nothing to be expended at all, and come with a substantial gain attached to them.
Like AFK Rares gathering? You plan to put Rammar out of business? Good! Long over due. Patiently waiting for you to ban his 15 accounts and condemn his shit. Should have been done a year ago.
Excuse me sir...you seem to have dropped your tinfoil hat....
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:42 am
by Galendae
Blaise wrote:Galendae wrote:Kaivan wrote:As of now, our rules on AFK resource gathering do not include purchasing reagents. This is because of the fact that resources must be expended in order to acquire the reagents, while other means of resource gathering largely require nothing to be expended at all, and come with a substantial gain attached to them.
Like AFK Rares gathering? You plan to put Rammar out of business? Good! Long over due. Patiently waiting for you to ban his 15 accounts and condemn his shit. Should have been done a year ago.
Excuse me sir...you seem to have dropped your tinfoil hat....
I was right about Telamon Blaise and you defended him to the bitter end. Good chance i am right about Rammar. I rare hunt, I see and have seen alot. GM follow him for a couple days and his shit will get condemned. Same as what happened to your boy Telamon.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:01 pm
by Pirul
Galendae wrote:I was right about Telamon Blaise and you defended him to the bitter end. Good chance i am right about Rammar. I rare hunt, I see and have seen alot. GM follow him for a couple days and his shit will get condemned. Same as what happened to your boy Telamon.
Would love to hear about the lot that you "see and have seen".
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:00 pm
by Galendae
Pirul wrote:Galendae wrote:I was right about Telamon Blaise and you defended him to the bitter end. Good chance i am right about Rammar. I rare hunt, I see and have seen alot. GM follow him for a couple days and his shit will get condemned. Same as what happened to your boy Telamon.
Would love to hear about the lot that you "see and have seen".
Simple, he is 100% Bot. And is on 24/7 He covers way to many rares at one time to be just 3 accounts. Simple math. 3 characters can't be at more then 3 rare sites total. He is 24/7. Third party programs as well. You can ask Lightshade for the details on that, as he enlightened me.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:11 pm
by Jupiter
Galendae wrote:Pirul wrote:Galendae wrote:I was right about Telamon Blaise and you defended him to the bitter end. Good chance i am right about Rammar. I rare hunt, I see and have seen alot. GM follow him for a couple days and his shit will get condemned. Same as what happened to your boy Telamon.
Would love to hear about the lot that you "see and have seen".
Simple, he is 100% Bot. And is on 24/7 He covers way to many rares at one time to be just 3 accounts. Simple math. 3 characters can't be at more then 3 rare sites total. He is 24/7. Third party programs as well. You can ask Lightshade for the details on that, as he enlightened me.
screenshots with date stamps?
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:20 pm
by Galendae
Jupiter wrote:Galendae wrote:Pirul wrote:Galendae wrote:I was right about Telamon Blaise and you defended him to the bitter end. Good chance i am right about Rammar. I rare hunt, I see and have seen alot. GM follow him for a couple days and his shit will get condemned. Same as what happened to your boy Telamon.
Would love to hear about the lot that you "see and have seen".
Simple, he is 100% Bot. And is on 24/7 He covers way to many rares at one time to be just 3 accounts. Simple math. 3 characters can't be at more then 3 rare sites total. He is 24/7. Third party programs as well. You can ask Lightshade for the details on that, as he enlightened me.
screenshots with date stamps?
I got some live video of your Mom.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:37 pm
by Jupiter
ooo under the belt.
Thanks though. Your response definitely helps establish the credibility of your claims.
good luck treasure hunting.
Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:47 pm
by Pirul
PS. Is it illegal to bot 24/7? How do you know he's at more than 3 spawns? How can you tell he's using a third party program other than by hearsay? And what is he doing with this third party program? Running macros? Anything in game?