Is scamming in-game a part of Ultima Online?

[dexter4321]

As far as I know Ultima Online is a sandbox mmo and offers complete freedom to do as you wish. I also know there are many ways to make it so you can never be scammed in the game. But, instead of learning from their mistakes some people will take it so far as to come here and post about it.

Some time ago I, Joshua Lee, started a thread in the trading post called "Forum/IRC Scammer Reports Thread". It was after someone scammed someone out of a big deal and it was orchestrated on IRC. The sole purpose of this thread was to try and enforce and make people aware of people conducting scams illegally using the forums or the #secondage IRC chat room.

Blackfoot, one of the forum moderators, has since edited my post as always. Which is totally fine and I understand and respect the need to make it more official. But now it has come to the point of making it known to all scammers, in-game as well.

The Forum/IRC Scammer Reports thread is soley for people who run scams using such services. Not people who run a scam in the game. Blackfoot has twisted and changed the whole concept of the thread to make it known to everyone who the in game scammers are as well, their scams are even posted and made known to the whole shard to avoid them.

Scamming is a part of Ultima Online and always has been. People will use their wit to outsmart someone to get their gold.

To be honest, in my eyes... Using the forums and IRC to let the whole shard aware of in-game scamming is just as bad as using IRC/Forum to run scams. It's pretty contradictory in my sense and it's the direction that thread I made awhile ago is started to go in. Blackfoot has made it so.

This is not Trammel, this is Felucca. This game can be very cutthroat at times. Although people will post down scams that happen in-game here on the forums. I think of all places it should not be in the IRC/Forum Scammer Reports thread, because that is where Blackfoot is taking it now. That thread has a particular purpose and it has nothing to do with scamming people in the game and in the game alone.

I could care less if I am known as a scammer. Let it be known I am the biggest scammer in the shard. However I have not, and will never, perform a scam using these forums or the #secondage IRC chat room.

Don't try and relate Forum/IRC scamming with in-game scammer, they are separate issues. And in-game scamming has always and will always be a part of true Ultima Online.

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While true, this post is still mainly about warning people and protecting them. Listing players who scam in game alone is still to the benefit of the trading players of UOSA.

fair enough
but in game scammers should be getting called out somwhere
you all can decide where

I also would like to add that if a new thread is made for in-game scammers in the trading post, it would have NOTHING to do with the genre and shouldn't be there to begin with. It has nothing to do with the trading posts. The Forum/IRC Scammer Reports thread applies to everything that goes down in Trading Post. However in-game scammer reports have nothing to do with the Trading Post because any in-game scams that go on are IN THE GAME and not on the forums.

I bet you some people who run scams in the game don't even look at the forums or get on irc. They would never know that at least half the shard knows they run scams. They would begin to wonder why everyone avoids them completely. Also a lot of people that use the forums I can imagine only look at the trading posts and maybe sometimes second age discussion.

If you wanna report a in-game scam or something take it to trash talk where it belongs. It's only going to produce trash talk anyways and certainly doesn't belong in more respectable genres here on these forums.



UOSA is a small community as it is. And it only has one forum. The Ultima Online Second Age forum. If you put down who all the in-game scammers are in any place besides the trash talk forum. Then you are hindering any legit in-game scams that go on in the game. This is not as big a shard as you think, you post down who the in-game scammers are people are going to know. Which affects how certain people play the game sometimes. Which in the end hurts UOSA's authenticity.

[Zane]

While I agree that in game scams are a part of the game, you lose your overall argument in the end.

There's nothing wrong with people organizing/voicing their encounters with scammers in the game. Why oppose this? It's not like there weren't methods of communicating this back in the day either.


Keep it simple. Yes, in game scamming is/has been a part of this game since it began. Keep reports of forums/irc scams seperate from in game reports, but allow for people to voice their problems (even with a stickied thread) with other players.

[BlackFoot]

Blackfoot, one of the forum moderators, has since edited my post as always. Which is totally fine and I understand and respect the need to make it more official. But now it has come to the point of making it known to all scammers, in-game as well.

For the record the only edit I made to your comments were to merge repeat consecutive posts into one so it didnt spam the thread.

[dexter4321]

While I agree that in game scams are a part of the game, you lose your overall argument in the end.

There's nothing wrong with people organizing/voicing their encounters with scammers in the game. Why oppose this? It's not like there weren't methods of communicating this back in the day either.


Keep it simple. Yes, in game scamming is/has been a part of this game since it began. Keep reports of forums/irc scams seperate from in game reports, but allow for people to voice their problems (even with a stickied thread) with other players.

I know all of that. What I am proposing is it be put in trash talk and not in trading posts. It is only going to result in trash talking and profanity that I can assure you. There is no problem with talking about in game scams but you better make sure it's somewhere where you can actually speak your mind. Unless you want the Trading Post full of trash.

[dexter4321]

Blackfoot, one of the forum moderators, has since edited my post as always. Which is totally fine and I understand and respect the need to make it more official. But now it has come to the point of making it known to all scammers, in-game as well.

For the record the only edit I made to your comments were to merge repeat consecutive posts into one so it didnt spam the thread.

What about the ones you deleted?

[BlackFoot]

After they were merged into one thread they were removed. Dont need copies of the same thing.

[dexter4321]

After they were merged into one thread they were removed. Dont need copies of the same thing.

Oh no I heard you right. They had nothing to do with previous posts whatsoever. Nice cover-up though.

[Zane]

What about bypassing forum ban?

Seriously man, you take something that could be a legitimate discussion and destroy it. You're not the master of deception that you think you are. Stop trying to present something as one thing when it is really a veiled attempt at lashing out.

If you seriously want to discuss the issue of in game scams, then stick to it.


The fact that you're even on here, talking about something after you got banned from the forum is funny. What makes it ridiculous is that you're using your shenanigans to call out someone who is at least trying to do something productive.

If you want to discuss something, argue the points. Stop trashing people. It's why your posts become such a joke and why people (like me) who once just chocked it up to entertaining forum trolling and banter now see it as a nuisance.

[dexter4321]

UOSA is a small community as it is. And it only has one forum. The Ultima Online Second Age forum. If you put down who all the in-game scammers are in any place besides the trash talk forum. Then you are hindering any legit in-game scams that go on in the game. This is not as big a shard as you think, you post down who the in-game scammers are people are going to know. Which affects how certain people play the game sometimes. Which in the end hurts UOSA's authenticity.

[dexter4321]

What about bypassing forum ban?

Seriously man, you take something that could be a legitimate discussion and destroy it. You're not the master of deception that you think you are. Stop trying to present something as one thing when it is really a veiled attempt at lashing out.

If you seriously want to discuss the issue of in game scams, then stick to it.


The fact that you're even on here, talking about something after you got banned from the forum is funny. What makes it ridiculous is that you're using your shenanigans to call out someone who is at least trying to do something productive.

If you want to discuss something, argue the points. Stop trashing people. It's why your posts become such a joke and why people (like me) who once just chocked it up to entertaining forum trolling and banter now see it as a nuisance.

Take it to trash talk.

[BlackFoot]

Your arguement has no solid points.
You have provided no real reason why players should not be discussing their in game trades in the trade forum.

[dexter4321]

Your arguement has no solid points.
You have provided no real reason why players should not be discussing their in game trades in the trade forum.

Because it has nothing to do with the trade forums. In-game scams are about deals that happen in the game, not in the trading post.

Deals that go down in the game and on the forums/irc are not related whatsoever.

[Zane]

All I can say is wow.

You attack someone in an open forum, no problem.

Someone throws it back in your face and it belongs in Trash Talk?


You either have a seriously over-inflated sense of self importance, or you just think you're above the rules you expect everyone else to follow. Either way, you're simply delusional.

[dexter4321]

You either have a seriously over-inflated sense of self importance, or you just think you're above the rules you expect everyone else to follow. Either way, you're simply delusional.

Again got nothing to do what we are talking about but I take that all as compliments anyway so thanks.

[BlackFoot]

The trade forums are about trading items in UOSA.

To put it into a comparison it would be like saying,

'If you didnt discuss your pvp battle before hand in the forums, you are not allwoed to come into the forums and talk about it afterwards.'

Of course this arguement is rediculous, but it is what you are arguing here.

If a trade didnt originate in the trade forums then it cant be discussed in the trade forums afterwards.

This is obviously a poor arguement.