OK! I hope I got your attention. It seems to me that part of the grief from pvp on this shard, is because most people don't look at pvpers (epically the epic ones) as players. Rather they look at them as some sort of sub human culture that has no life and gets pleasure only from proving they can "l33t pwn ur nub arz!".
What good is being an epic murderer if all you ever do is hide your face. I say epic murders now is the time to speak out! Become part of society! Make PVP part of the game and not just something we call griefing. Here's how; post on this thread, tell your stories, brag a little. But do so in a way that doesn't say you all suck. Rather say hey look at what I did, yes I'm awesome, ohh and BTW kiddies here's a few tip. Teach us from your tails, what not to do, and what to do in the pvp world, and help make pvp more than just grief but rather part of the game. (a gruesome annoying part(for the victims), but a part). Make us say, we hate what you do, but love how you do it. Make us say, well no wonder he died, I wont make that mistake now. Make us say, wow he is really good, I'm going to have to learn from him, he's not just some punk with a better bot and more time than me after all.
Basically what I'm saying, take this chance to brag a little, and to teach the rest of us how to be better pvpers. That way you can get the respect you've earned, and when you do get into a fight, maybe it wont be the same lame thing over and over again.
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Check the trash talk forum, there are Pker's masturba-.....erm I mean telling stories about their exploits all the time.
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The problem is a lot of the pvpers who post all the time on forums and miRC make the reputation bad for all pvpers.
The ones that post a lot and occupy miRC more than the game(you know who you are and so do we, no use avoiding the truth) are the bottom of the barrel pvpers for the most part. Even the so-called "top duelers" are part of that if they have no dignity and have bitched more than any single bard who gets pked 1000 times a day and never complains and just *smiles*.
Funny how that works?
Yea lots of pvpers have shitty attitudes, but many are cool and promote people to learn pvp and want to help the community(Such as Zsv, PoV ect.). I believe that's the point of this post.
We need to stop trying to make everything worse for other players and start having some balance, we need to be nice to players who enjoy other playstyles. Pks should gate victoms out more often...
We need more pvpers and the pks/veteran pvpers need to lend a hand to newbies who are years behind in PVP. Or even the veterans who don't want to get back into pvp after they saw what people talk about at 1v1 tournaments ect. We can get back into it by practicing and giving good advice, saying 'hey nice try" instead of "OMG BAD".
Oh yea, and all the so-called top duelers need to come to the field some more. That's where Ultima Online happens, not in trammelized tournament areas where everyone banksits(literally).
Come to the field, and play UO
The ones that post a lot and occupy miRC more than the game(you know who you are and so do we, no use avoiding the truth) are the bottom of the barrel pvpers for the most part. Even the so-called "top duelers" are part of that if they have no dignity and have bitched more than any single bard who gets pked 1000 times a day and never complains and just *smiles*.
Funny how that works?
Yea lots of pvpers have shitty attitudes, but many are cool and promote people to learn pvp and want to help the community(Such as Zsv, PoV ect.). I believe that's the point of this post.
We need to stop trying to make everything worse for other players and start having some balance, we need to be nice to players who enjoy other playstyles. Pks should gate victoms out more often...
We need more pvpers and the pks/veteran pvpers need to lend a hand to newbies who are years behind in PVP. Or even the veterans who don't want to get back into pvp after they saw what people talk about at 1v1 tournaments ect. We can get back into it by practicing and giving good advice, saying 'hey nice try" instead of "OMG BAD".
Oh yea, and all the so-called top duelers need to come to the field some more. That's where Ultima Online happens, not in trammelized tournament areas where everyone banksits(literally).
Come to the field, and play UO
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Ok this forum isn't for people to cry and complain more, this is so if you have PVP tips you give em. You all want to cry that the same people win all the pvp events and no one does anything about it. Its always the same people fighting etc etc. Well here is your chance to do something about it! Give Some pointers, get people interested in PVP and give them a fighting chance. Then maybe we'll see some real pvp and some good ol' real world fights like it used to be. As of right now all people do is cry and no one has a clue how to fight or what the guys on top actually do to win. So if you have some advice give it. If you don't then shut up and listen maybe you'll learn something.
PVP is part of the game. Live, adapt or DIE. Even those of us that prefer dungeon crawls know you need to pick up some pvp skill or els you get ran over. Problem is when we ask for tips all we get is two things: Either people cry about who's doing all the pvp, or people call you a nub for not knowing. So how about this, we acualy do something constructive on this one and take charge of the world we play in for once. Sound like a good idea to anyone els? On top of that if everyone would band together work as groups and help each other to learn how to fight, all this ghosting and camping would end. No advantage to ghosting when all it does is give your enemies a chance to get the drop on you. But since no one will give anyone a leg up on the PVP game the guys on top stay on top and the rest of us just can't seem to figure out how we die so fast... So how about we change this rat race, give the pvpers a chance to prove if they are the real deal or if they are just lucky because no one's figured out their tricks yet, and start exchanging some pointers and tips.(so yes Psilo is right)
That said, happy posting.
PVP is part of the game. Live, adapt or DIE. Even those of us that prefer dungeon crawls know you need to pick up some pvp skill or els you get ran over. Problem is when we ask for tips all we get is two things: Either people cry about who's doing all the pvp, or people call you a nub for not knowing. So how about this, we acualy do something constructive on this one and take charge of the world we play in for once. Sound like a good idea to anyone els? On top of that if everyone would band together work as groups and help each other to learn how to fight, all this ghosting and camping would end. No advantage to ghosting when all it does is give your enemies a chance to get the drop on you. But since no one will give anyone a leg up on the PVP game the guys on top stay on top and the rest of us just can't seem to figure out how we die so fast... So how about we change this rat race, give the pvpers a chance to prove if they are the real deal or if they are just lucky because no one's figured out their tricks yet, and start exchanging some pointers and tips.(so yes Psilo is right)
That said, happy posting.
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My PK's name is Deacon. My main character has always been Ironfist Max, but for some reason I decided to play as Deacon on here. I held the #1 duelist and #1 PK spot on this shard until I quit for a long time. I believe my bounty was 90k before I quit. All legitimate kills and bounties. I then let Alatar use the account for awhile but it's back in my hands. I have been PvPing/PKing since '99. I have played all the eras, seen all the changes from just being one facet all the way to seeing Ninjas and the sad destruction of this great game. Unlike most PvPers and PKers I have always held a certain PvP respect on the field. I try to never talk trash, horse kill, or loot unnecessary loot. I also will always offer a gate, leave recall regs, or res the victim (if I have time). Another reason I do it is to keep people on the server. If someone leave, that's 1 less person to PK or PvP against. Very rarely will I break any of these rules of mine UNLESS they really honestly deserve it based on my history with them. Through the years, my friends have always asked me why I do this and the simple answer is out of respect for the UO community. It's bad enough losing your loot, no reason to try to grief someone off the server. Most kids that grief or talk trash usually have an insecurity problem or they know they can't hack it in PvP and try to make up for their lack of skill by other means. Sadly this is probably a good 75% of all PvPers no matter what server you go to.
Since I have quit and come back, there has been quite some changes to PvP, but the best way to get better at PvP is to practice, practice, practice. Duel your ass off with a friend. If you don't enjoy sparring with your friends, practice combos on monsters. Challenge or accept any and all duels. If people shit talk you, just ignore it, don't let it get to you. Everyone has to start at the beginning. I can remember dying in seconds when I first started PvP. But you have to get up, dust yourself off, learn from your mistakes, adjust, and try again. UO is a tough hardcore game and most people are afraid of competitive PvP, even if they say otherwise. Don't believe me? Go to uogamers, run around to all the PvP hotspots and be amazed at how dead the PvP scene is. Everyone stays in town, or their house, unless they have 4-5 buddies they can gank with. If you want to PvP and succeed at it, you need to practice and PvP all scenarios that you can think of so that you will be better prepared for the next PvP action that comes your way.
I was pretty notorious on Chesapeake and UOGamers for solo PvP. I tell you this not to brag but to understand how I became a confident PvPer. I never ran from 1v1 fights and I also almost always fought 1v2. Even though I would lose most 1v2, I would gain a lot of insight on my opponents, learn the combos, learn the timers and I could and would anticipate their next moves before fights would even start.
PKers on UOSecondAge are almost always going to be very aggressive. The main reason is most of us hunting you all in dungeons will go into statloss if we die, so we are looking for quick, fast kills, so that A) You don't have time to fight back because you are so busy defending yourself and B) The longer it takes for us to kill you, the more chance you have of calling a friend in to come help kill us.
Tips on surviving a PKer
1) Travel in groups or with a friend. Pretty hard for us to kill someone with a buddy healing.
2) Carry the 3 essential potion types with you. (Heal, Cure, Refresh)
3) Carry 1 teleport item and 1 invisible item. Run the PKer into a bunch of monsters and pop that invis item on and you can wave goodbye as he runs the hell away. By the time he casts reveal, all the mobs will be aggroed on him.
4) Wear armor if you are a melee or tamer.
5) Carry 1 heal wand. (If you can, I know it's expensive)
6) Keep your minimap open, so that if and when you need to run, you can plan on an exit strategy.
7) Try to line of sight the pker, then cast recall. Don't just sit there spamming recall, most likely you won't get it off.
Try to keep your health at least at 80% or higher at all time. You never know when a PKer will be coming. The more health you have, the longer it takes to kill you and the higher change you have at surviving.
9) Carry trapped pouches with you, at least 4.
Happy hunting!
Since I have quit and come back, there has been quite some changes to PvP, but the best way to get better at PvP is to practice, practice, practice. Duel your ass off with a friend. If you don't enjoy sparring with your friends, practice combos on monsters. Challenge or accept any and all duels. If people shit talk you, just ignore it, don't let it get to you. Everyone has to start at the beginning. I can remember dying in seconds when I first started PvP. But you have to get up, dust yourself off, learn from your mistakes, adjust, and try again. UO is a tough hardcore game and most people are afraid of competitive PvP, even if they say otherwise. Don't believe me? Go to uogamers, run around to all the PvP hotspots and be amazed at how dead the PvP scene is. Everyone stays in town, or their house, unless they have 4-5 buddies they can gank with. If you want to PvP and succeed at it, you need to practice and PvP all scenarios that you can think of so that you will be better prepared for the next PvP action that comes your way.
I was pretty notorious on Chesapeake and UOGamers for solo PvP. I tell you this not to brag but to understand how I became a confident PvPer. I never ran from 1v1 fights and I also almost always fought 1v2. Even though I would lose most 1v2, I would gain a lot of insight on my opponents, learn the combos, learn the timers and I could and would anticipate their next moves before fights would even start.
PKers on UOSecondAge are almost always going to be very aggressive. The main reason is most of us hunting you all in dungeons will go into statloss if we die, so we are looking for quick, fast kills, so that A) You don't have time to fight back because you are so busy defending yourself and B) The longer it takes for us to kill you, the more chance you have of calling a friend in to come help kill us.
Tips on surviving a PKer
1) Travel in groups or with a friend. Pretty hard for us to kill someone with a buddy healing.
2) Carry the 3 essential potion types with you. (Heal, Cure, Refresh)
3) Carry 1 teleport item and 1 invisible item. Run the PKer into a bunch of monsters and pop that invis item on and you can wave goodbye as he runs the hell away. By the time he casts reveal, all the mobs will be aggroed on him.
4) Wear armor if you are a melee or tamer.
5) Carry 1 heal wand. (If you can, I know it's expensive)
6) Keep your minimap open, so that if and when you need to run, you can plan on an exit strategy.
7) Try to line of sight the pker, then cast recall. Don't just sit there spamming recall, most likely you won't get it off.
Try to keep your health at least at 80% or higher at all time. You never know when a PKer will be coming. The more health you have, the longer it takes to kill you and the higher change you have at surviving.9) Carry trapped pouches with you, at least 4.
Happy hunting!
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Awsome post, thanks for the insight. Welcome back always glad to see a player with class return.
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Most PK's die when they start trying to PvP and not PK.
Regardless of what kind of PK template you choose, whether its a tank, dexxer or whatever you need to realize that the play style has to be drastically different for a character that is in stat loss as opposed to if he was Blue, O/C, or a non stat red.
The main goal I always had was staying alive. 99% of the time that's what I thought about, the other 1% was thinking about actually killing people.
I managed to have over 3200 counts on my stat PK towards the end of T2A, without dying once. Theres plenty of people who attest to that, and I still see my name brought up occasionally on forums when the PK topic comes up, despite the fact that I have barely played any form of UO in 8 years aside from occasional 2 month infatuations with a free shard here and there.
Around 2500 of my kills were solo, the rest were with Bill Nye and Tragic Magic. To my knowledge there were only 2 or 3 few people on OSI who had more kills on one character than I did. One of them being Alice Cooper on chesapeake who had something like 7k+, who rolled around with a huge guild. And to my knowledge he died a handful of times.
Having been pretty well respected in the dueling circle, I never had a problem seperating my Blue PvP character from my Stat PK. There were guys out there PKing who were definitely better than myself but almost everyone gets caught up in a situation where they want to show off and save face by sticking around so people don't talk shit when they really should be getting out of the situation. I don't care how good you are, if you 1v1 in a situation where the playing field is even, you're eventually gonna lose
The risk vs reward of each individual person you kill is so unbelievably low on a PK. What you can gain, vs what you can lose is tremendous. Each time you go out there you risk essentially losing 50-250k in an invenstment. Any and every advantage you can get should be used.
I would roll around with Vanqs, heal wands, reflect/tele/invis clothing, Anything that would give me an advantage. My goal was to kill someone in one effort. If I dumped, and they healed through and it was their turn, Most times I would GTFO. Despite the fact that this may be somebody I would routinely smack around on my blue character in duels, the second the advantage went in his favor while playing on my PK - It was no longer a good situation to be in. Let people talk shit, they will do ANYTHING to get you to make mistakes. And most UO players hate to have their e-pride hurt.
Ironfist Max put pretty much everything he said perfectly, and I agree with him 100%. If you treat people with respect you will get respect. I was never one who was fond of res killing, killing mounts, dry looting newer players, etc, etc. If you build up a rep as someone who plays with honor, you will earn peoples respect.
I started playing a PK here again, and I admittingly suck pretty bad at UO compared to how I once was and I don't really consider myself a hardcore PK anymore. It's just been too long for me, and I doubt I could ever get back up on the horse. But I still managed to get about 90 kills solo in 3 or 4 days. Only to die when I stuck around in a situation I should have gotten out of and couldnt heal through a 2v1 dump, because I didn't wanna hurt my pride.
Main piece of advice I would give to someone who is trying to deal with PK's is to fight back, or strike first before they can strike against you. When you are the aggressor - you have an initial advantage, and just showing aggression can keep you alive many times. Also for non confrontational players, my best advice is to keep recall scrolls, set a "safe rune" macro which casts off your scroll and auto targets a set rune -- and use it ANY time you see a red name, no questions asked.
Regardless of what kind of PK template you choose, whether its a tank, dexxer or whatever you need to realize that the play style has to be drastically different for a character that is in stat loss as opposed to if he was Blue, O/C, or a non stat red.
The main goal I always had was staying alive. 99% of the time that's what I thought about, the other 1% was thinking about actually killing people.
I managed to have over 3200 counts on my stat PK towards the end of T2A, without dying once. Theres plenty of people who attest to that, and I still see my name brought up occasionally on forums when the PK topic comes up, despite the fact that I have barely played any form of UO in 8 years aside from occasional 2 month infatuations with a free shard here and there.
Around 2500 of my kills were solo, the rest were with Bill Nye and Tragic Magic. To my knowledge there were only 2 or 3 few people on OSI who had more kills on one character than I did. One of them being Alice Cooper on chesapeake who had something like 7k+, who rolled around with a huge guild. And to my knowledge he died a handful of times.
Having been pretty well respected in the dueling circle, I never had a problem seperating my Blue PvP character from my Stat PK. There were guys out there PKing who were definitely better than myself but almost everyone gets caught up in a situation where they want to show off and save face by sticking around so people don't talk shit when they really should be getting out of the situation. I don't care how good you are, if you 1v1 in a situation where the playing field is even, you're eventually gonna lose
The risk vs reward of each individual person you kill is so unbelievably low on a PK. What you can gain, vs what you can lose is tremendous. Each time you go out there you risk essentially losing 50-250k in an invenstment. Any and every advantage you can get should be used.
I would roll around with Vanqs, heal wands, reflect/tele/invis clothing, Anything that would give me an advantage. My goal was to kill someone in one effort. If I dumped, and they healed through and it was their turn, Most times I would GTFO. Despite the fact that this may be somebody I would routinely smack around on my blue character in duels, the second the advantage went in his favor while playing on my PK - It was no longer a good situation to be in. Let people talk shit, they will do ANYTHING to get you to make mistakes. And most UO players hate to have their e-pride hurt.
Ironfist Max put pretty much everything he said perfectly, and I agree with him 100%. If you treat people with respect you will get respect. I was never one who was fond of res killing, killing mounts, dry looting newer players, etc, etc. If you build up a rep as someone who plays with honor, you will earn peoples respect.
I started playing a PK here again, and I admittingly suck pretty bad at UO compared to how I once was and I don't really consider myself a hardcore PK anymore. It's just been too long for me, and I doubt I could ever get back up on the horse. But I still managed to get about 90 kills solo in 3 or 4 days. Only to die when I stuck around in a situation I should have gotten out of and couldnt heal through a 2v1 dump, because I didn't wanna hurt my pride.
Main piece of advice I would give to someone who is trying to deal with PK's is to fight back, or strike first before they can strike against you. When you are the aggressor - you have an initial advantage, and just showing aggression can keep you alive many times. Also for non confrontational players, my best advice is to keep recall scrolls, set a "safe rune" macro which casts off your scroll and auto targets a set rune -- and use it ANY time you see a red name, no questions asked.
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Ifrit, you're focusing so much on the first half of the risk vs reward equation that you completely miss the second half - the reward
The reason you racked up so many counts here and got so deep into stat was because you kill newbs and people that don't put up a fight. I've seen you around, you run the second someone starts to cast an offensive spell or starts swinging back at you. You killed 90 people and all you got to show for it was probably 400gp and a lute. I don't even know what the point of this is... I guess it's the griefing, I dunno.
I use tracking to find people with my red. I look up their name in myUOSA and see what skills they have. If they're not at least 3xGM, I usually won't attack them (unless their name is "Pissface" or "Saltyballz" or something). The benefit of this is that while the risk is greater, the reward is much greater too. About half the time, I get a real fight out of it, which is a lot of fun. And if I win, I typically get some meaningful amount of reagents, some potions, and/or a nice magic weapon. I once killed a guy who, admittedly, was WAY better than me, but I got lucky to beat him and as a result I snagged a +20 vanq kryss and a +20 vanq spear. I think I got a +20 vanq silver spear from another guy as well.
But looking back at the risk... because I don't fight or kill the majority of people I come across, I have far less counts than you. So if & when I do die, it might take me a week to work off the short-term counts and get out of stat loss. I think my strategy helps me eliminate the low-risk, low-reward guys, who are basically pointless to attack. No fun for me, and certainly no fun for them.
The reason you racked up so many counts here and got so deep into stat was because you kill newbs and people that don't put up a fight. I've seen you around, you run the second someone starts to cast an offensive spell or starts swinging back at you. You killed 90 people and all you got to show for it was probably 400gp and a lute. I don't even know what the point of this is... I guess it's the griefing, I dunno.
I use tracking to find people with my red. I look up their name in myUOSA and see what skills they have. If they're not at least 3xGM, I usually won't attack them (unless their name is "Pissface" or "Saltyballz" or something). The benefit of this is that while the risk is greater, the reward is much greater too. About half the time, I get a real fight out of it, which is a lot of fun. And if I win, I typically get some meaningful amount of reagents, some potions, and/or a nice magic weapon. I once killed a guy who, admittedly, was WAY better than me, but I got lucky to beat him and as a result I snagged a +20 vanq kryss and a +20 vanq spear. I think I got a +20 vanq silver spear from another guy as well.
But looking back at the risk... because I don't fight or kill the majority of people I come across, I have far less counts than you. So if & when I do die, it might take me a week to work off the short-term counts and get out of stat loss. I think my strategy helps me eliminate the low-risk, low-reward guys, who are basically pointless to attack. No fun for me, and certainly no fun for them.
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Mikel123 wrote:Ifrit, you're focusing so much on the first half of the risk vs reward equation that you completely miss the second half - the reward
The reason you racked up so many counts here and got so deep into stat was because you kill newbs and people that don't put up a fight. I've seen you around, you run the second someone starts to cast an offensive spell or starts swinging back at you. You killed 90 people and all you got to show for it was probably 400gp and a lute. I don't even know what the point of this is... I guess it's the griefing, I dunno.
Not true at all. The only time i'm even around newbs is when I go to brit GY. In which case Ill KOP in, teleport to the roof and bounce around for a minute before leaving. I don't even take counts half the time I'm there to be honest.
The majority of PKing I do is in dungeons, deciet or shame specifically.. where Im in and out so im not quite sure why you would think otherwise from possibly occasionally seeing me check in a high traffic area. Not sure where you formed your opinion, but it's pretty far off from the truth. Most new players I do come accross, I help more than anything. Whether it's giving them gold, a boat, or gating them to safer farming spots - I never have had the rep of an asshole. You are correct that I'm usually not going to stick around if it get's hairy, which I normally won't on my stat PK if im solo, It's not smart, especially when Im outnumbered. I'm almost always on IRC when I am in game, and I'm always more than happy to log onto my blue and mess around.
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There's a difference between being an a-hole and just killing newbs. I never said you were an a-hole; you're more literate than most of the folks here whose "main" is a PK, and I think you're pretty candid.
But there's no way you're racking up 90+ kills in 3 or 4 days without doing most of your killing against the defenseless. It's a numbers thing - there just aren't that many people out there, in dungeons. And I'd guess Deceit and Shame are actually two of the better places for finding people who are OK enough to actually try to fight back.
Some guy named "total darkness" appears to have started as a new red a few days ago. He's 17 times better than you at PvP (I did the math) - definitely better than me. I've seen him like 12 times over the weekend. At times with other members of his guild, at times alone. He recalls around like a madman - no joke, I saw him at least 7 times in one particular hour. And he's only got 30 or so kills.
Anyways my point is not to call you a wimp - again, you're candid and pretty much called yourself that. My point is, there's two aspects of the risk/reward ratio. You've done a good job at mitigating the risk, but as I see it you're probably doing a poor job at maximizing the reward for yourself. If you enjoy actual PvP, different than PKing, maybe stick to that. I've seen your red a bunch, but have yet to see your PvP char.
But there's no way you're racking up 90+ kills in 3 or 4 days without doing most of your killing against the defenseless. It's a numbers thing - there just aren't that many people out there, in dungeons. And I'd guess Deceit and Shame are actually two of the better places for finding people who are OK enough to actually try to fight back.
Some guy named "total darkness" appears to have started as a new red a few days ago. He's 17 times better than you at PvP (I did the math) - definitely better than me. I've seen him like 12 times over the weekend. At times with other members of his guild, at times alone. He recalls around like a madman - no joke, I saw him at least 7 times in one particular hour. And he's only got 30 or so kills.
Anyways my point is not to call you a wimp - again, you're candid and pretty much called yourself that. My point is, there's two aspects of the risk/reward ratio. You've done a good job at mitigating the risk, but as I see it you're probably doing a poor job at maximizing the reward for yourself. If you enjoy actual PvP, different than PKing, maybe stick to that. I've seen your red a bunch, but have yet to see your PvP char.
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that guys a newbMikel123 wrote: Some guy named "total darkness" appears to have started as a new red a few days ago. He's 17 times better than you at PvP (I did the math) - definitely better than me. I've seen him like 12 times over the weekend. At times with other members of his guild, at times alone. He recalls around like a madman - no joke, I saw him at least 7 times in one particular hour. And he's only got 30 or so kills.
[14:17] <UOSAPlayer4056> cr3w guild is a joke. Ran by staff members, multi client pking, this shards a joke and a half.
Blaise wrote:Man, you guys are really stepping up your game now that you're not living in the shadow of cr3w
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Anyways, may as well add my own PvP stories/experiences/etc.
Most of it is done with a dexer. I use tracking and look people up on myUOSA before I attack them (unless they're red or gray, in which case I go right in). If they're showing 3 GM skills, I'll typically attack. I'll also attack on sight if they have a stupid name ("sMoKe A bLunT", "a penile implant", etc), or if they're wearing colored armor. I hate that crap.
I typically only loot things I will use, except for the aforementioned colored armor, which I trash once I return home. And sandals. If I kill someone wearing sandles, I will take them and trash them as well. I have no idea why people in UO like sandals. Drives me crazy.
If it's safe to do so, I will usually res someone and help them get out. But I never give back items/regs/etc., except recall regs.
Being a fence-dexer is probably the best PK template here. A tank has a much better chance of killing a complete newb, since they can disrupt recall attempts nearly 100% of the time. But against someone who's decently well-built-out, or is willing to fight back, a fence dexer is pretty ideal.
The only character I won't fight against is typically a parry-macer. It's just a recipe for disaster. I travel in the high 40's of AR, and I've lost 9 AR to some idiot with a +20 power q-staff from a single fight. And if they use a war axe and a shield, forget it. My armor's being worn down ridiculously fast, and even a nice vanq kryss is pretty poor against a GM parryer with a nice heater.
Most of it is done with a dexer. I use tracking and look people up on myUOSA before I attack them (unless they're red or gray, in which case I go right in). If they're showing 3 GM skills, I'll typically attack. I'll also attack on sight if they have a stupid name ("sMoKe A bLunT", "a penile implant", etc), or if they're wearing colored armor. I hate that crap.
I typically only loot things I will use, except for the aforementioned colored armor, which I trash once I return home. And sandals. If I kill someone wearing sandles, I will take them and trash them as well. I have no idea why people in UO like sandals. Drives me crazy.
If it's safe to do so, I will usually res someone and help them get out. But I never give back items/regs/etc., except recall regs.
Being a fence-dexer is probably the best PK template here. A tank has a much better chance of killing a complete newb, since they can disrupt recall attempts nearly 100% of the time. But against someone who's decently well-built-out, or is willing to fight back, a fence dexer is pretty ideal.
The only character I won't fight against is typically a parry-macer. It's just a recipe for disaster. I travel in the high 40's of AR, and I've lost 9 AR to some idiot with a +20 power q-staff from a single fight. And if they use a war axe and a shield, forget it. My armor's being worn down ridiculously fast, and even a nice vanq kryss is pretty poor against a GM parryer with a nice heater.
Re: PVP Grief!
Gentlemen I appreciate the friendly debate, but please refrain from flaming. There is nothing to be gained by flaming, nor is conducive to what this board is trying to establish. If you have something to contribute I welcome it, if all you wish to do is flame, please take your comments to another thread.
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Re: PVP Grief!
I've seen your red a bunch, but have yet to see your PvP char.
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