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Hello all!

I recently stumbled across this site while looking through the forums of MMORPG.com. I currently play EQ2, but bored, I decided to see if there was any news on some of my old-time favorites. Looking at the forums there, everyone says the 'new UO' is on 'life-support,' and recommended Google-ing something like UO:Divinity. After browsing through a number of free shards, I came to one of those 'top 100' sites and saw the banner for Second Age - The Way it Was. I must say, this definitely caught my eye and got me here!

I've been lurking the forums the past night and morning. It's made me realize that there's something (or many things) about the world of UO that are calling me back. I actually started with The Realm (if anyone remembers that), and then moved on to UO (Baja server) during the end of T2A, and played a little while longer after they introduced Trammel, factions, etc. Around that time I believe EQ1 was out, and I decided to try a game with the 'greatest graphics' out there. Since then, I've been nothing but disappointed.

In every game now, it's like a cookie-cutter mold, with competitions on who can make the most CPU/graphically intensive game - but using the same-old, tired gameplay. Sure they throw in new settings / genres, or pay hoards of cash for a big brand to base their world on (LotR comes to mind), but there's nothing innovative about any of it; and the communities, in most cases, are a joke. I have to admit the same is true in EQ2, but at least there I have a number of close friends that I can play with which keeps me entertained.

Nothing compares, though, to my first days wandering around the streets of Trinsic, learning to do the most basic of tasks (like opening one's bank box). I met and became close friends with a stranger on the street (although the name escapes me now, years later - Red-something), and we began a quest to build enough wealth to purchase a ship. A huge accomplishment, we spent hours taking turns just sailing around, exploring new areas - as we traveled not much further than the peninsula south of Trinsic to hunt prior to this. We then learned how profitable mining / blacksmithing was, and started mining and crafting our way to 'fortune.'

Eventually we made enough to purchase a small-house deed (our ultimate goal) - but after days of searching, gave up on trying to find a spot to place it and sold the deed back. I joined up with a guild, Paladins of Virtue, and let my friend take the ship, and saw little of him again, as I now had a whole group to hunt with and he was more interested in the lone-wolf / duo setting (and later became a respectable PK). The guild eventually crumbled as most small guilds do (although the premise was great, and I loved all the lore they had behind it), and I went back to mining to the mountains west of Trinsic.

Of course, one day a PK came strolling through, and naturally I left all my ore there and started running, as typically all they seemed to care about was what massive pile of ore I'd left on the ground (I'd use a nearby forge outside). Not this particular PK, and he chased me south until I ran into a large group of players outside a tower sparring. Realizing my plight, they took up the chase, and the PK was quickly dispatched by the hoard of members. Shortly thereafter, I became a loyal follower of my saviors - the guild, Victory over the Unknown.

From there my adventures are all just as wonderful, with another notable time being when I helped run a casino called The Drunken Ogre. This, along with random chess games with friends and strangers, and other random moments in such an open, expansive world, are what made me love this game so much.

For all of that, I must admit I was never very good at PvP. My first experience was shortly after the factions came out, and I was put in the 'front-line' of a major battle - and died before I took a swing or cast a spell. I never understood all the intricacies (I was pretty young after all), and gave up on PvP after that (in both UO and really all MMOs since).

With all of that said, it seems this is one of the biggest, most active free shards out there, and is set in the era I most remember and cherish. I'm interested in starting, and hopefully bringing in some friends I constantly relate my UO stories to, so I can show them what a true online RPG should be like, but I have some reservations...

First, what is the general nature / attitude of the members on this server? Are PK'ers rampant, gate-camping and in general just griefing on a constant basis? Or is it possible to enjoy and see the areas of the game without constant fear of being ganked? (Again, I played mostly in Felucca, so I used to deal with 'reds' but maybe Baja was different, as I rarely worried about them or even saw them - which was nice, as those you did see were immediately feared) In other words, I like the idea of needing to be vigilant / fearful of dying (unlike most games), but is the community primarily filled with PKs / reds?

Second, what's the best way to get started? Honestly, it's been so long, I don't remember much of how I got started in the first place. Obviously, magery is an extremely expensive endeavor, so it's not something I'd probably start with, but something that I know is obviously necessary. I did enjoy playing a warrior, tamer, and bard, though. Are there any suggestions on a first character build for one just starting out?

And finally, is crafting viable here? I would assume with a smaller population, fewer crafters are needed, and don't want to eventually start another blacksmith, only to find everyone already has one as an alt and unable to turn even a small profit :(

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to read this and answer my questions! Good luck to you all, and hope to see you in-game soon! :D

-Kat

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I didn't read thru all of your post, but went directly to the questions..
No reds are not rampant on this shard.. there are a few "groups" of reds, but other than those select groups, most reds roll solo.. Yes you can do some decent monster hunting without worrying about getting PK'd (except for pretty much Destard) Most PVP'ers stay blue and there are a couple of war guilds around..
The best way to get started is to make a bard.. It's probably the fastest method to GM skills and quick cash comes in after you GM provocation.. BUT if I were to give you advice.. if your really interested in staying here just go ahead and make a Tamer.. take the time to GM it and by the time you do, you'll know all you need to about the shard AND have an extremely powerful character..
Finally, crafting is still a decent method to make money with vendors.. Assuming your prices are competetive.. Advertise your vendor and try to put in some items which you don't find often: shouldn't have a problem turning profits.

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kataran wrote: In every game now, it's like a cookie-cutter mold, with competitions on who can make the most CPU/graphically intensive game - but using the same-old, tired gameplay. Sure they throw in new settings / genres, or pay hoards of cash for a big brand to base their world on (LotR comes to mind), but there's nothing innovative about any of it; and the communities, in most cases, are a joke. I have to admit the same is true in EQ2, but at least there I have a number of close friends that I can play with which keeps me entertained.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
First, what is the general nature / attitude of the members on this server? Are PK'ers rampant, gate-camping and in general just griefing on a constant basis? Or is it possible to enjoy and see the areas of the game without constant fear of being ganked? In other words, I like the idea of needing to be vigilant / fearful of dying (unlike most games), but is the community primarily filled with PKs / reds?
I think the community is, overall, friendly. Yeah, you get the people who will kill ya and loot you dry but for the most part its a nice server. Ive never seen the moongates camped, I guess because its guard zoned, though the dungeons get regular roves of pk's. It is def possible to enjoy the server and very much like the old days.
Second, what's the best way to get started? Honestly, it's been so long, I don't remember much of how I got started in the first place. Obviously, magery is an extremely expensive endeavor, so it's not something I'd probably start with, but something that I know is obviously necessary. I did enjoy playing a warrior, tamer, and bard, though. Are there any suggestions on a first character build for one just starting out?
A lot of people recommend the graveyard of britain for early cash. Another popular method is to go to Delucia and harvest wool/cotton (you need teleport to get into the cotton field) or run to the pen in Yew and harvest. Turn this into cloth (no skills needed) and sell to players or the vendor. There is a guide forum which can help you as well.
And finally, is crafting viable here? I would assume with a smaller population, fewer crafters are needed, and don't want to eventually start another blacksmith, only to find everyone already has one as an alt and unable to turn even a small profit :(
I can't answer this one. Being apart of the mighty Bloodrock orcs, we all craft our own gear internally so I am never shopping at vendors. I have seen quite a few vendors, however, so I would assume it is viable to be a crafter.
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Wow, thank you both for the encouraging replies!

I believe I'm going to go with platy's suggestion, and roll a tamer. Is the build located in the guide (http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=976) the 'ideal' build? Or are there other options? Also, what is the purpose of veterinary skills without healing? I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the choices of UO again, so any direction to even very basic resources / guides that go over the fundamentals would be helpful!

Just a few more minutes, and I should be up and running! Thanks again, both of you, for making my decision that much easier!

-Kat

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Welcome fellow Baja player.

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I WOULD NOT roll a tamer...

The higher end spots are usually patrolled by those willing to fight/harass you...and the money you can make by simply dexing liches, doing tourneys, and provoking dragons is more than enough.

But the choice is yours...

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kataran wrote: Also, what is the purpose of veterinary skills without healing?

Vet is the skill that allows you to heal your pets with bandages.
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kataran wrote:Hello all!
Are PK'ers rampant, gate-camping and in general just griefing on a constant basis?
Overall, griefing should be down now that I quit playing. There is a constant stream of pks in Destard, not many other places as far as I can tell.

I wouldn't make a tamer unless you just want to be rich. Taming takes FOREVER to raise. If you just want basic money to start up, provoke high level monsters (provocation can be raised easily in the stables) or mine and sell ingots. Either of these methods should get you a house and money to make whatever kind of character you like inside of two weeks, plus a little extra fliff for booze and women.

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First Off, Welcome! Your post is very similar to my first post here and many others I have read. I stumbled on this site the exact same way you did and have been more than pleased. I have been here about 1-2 months and have loved it.

Another thing great about this site is the staff... while striving for era accuracy may not mean making something easy or simple for players they do a great job of finding and creating accuracy. Excellent, Friendly Staff here!

Onto your questions...

You have to watch for pks in dungeons.. I would say the big 3 rooms for newer players are Shame earth eles, maybe wrong level 1 & 2 with orcs, ettins, ogres, etc, and ofcourse the harpy room in cov.

You can farm here but should have some hiding skill and get magery up to 64 asap so you never fail a recall.

Destard as mentioned is a PK haven (mostly blue pks)... Easy cash for them going after usually helpless bards.

I would avoid destard until you are leveled quite a bit and even then until you are ready to do atleast a little PvP

I was pk'ed a few times while farming gold but if you bank dump every 15 min or so there isnt much risk.... PKing and getting PKed is what makes this game better than any other i have played. You actually have to be prepared bc you can lose everything you have! The world is dangerous! That danger i think is a huge part of what makes this game great! Im really glad that is a part of this shard.

I would say you could run all around brit and have about a 99% chance of not seeing a red in the wild(outside of dungeons). I think i have seen one in the wild my whole time here while lumberjacking and as he loaded his explo-Flamestrike combo i typed "I got nothin"... he snooped me and saw a couple hundred boards and a carp tool and left me be..

Getting started a bard or dexer may be the way to go. My first char had Music/Prov/Fencing/Tact/Anat/healing/some magery/hiding/med. I would fence earths and when anything else came on the screen i would provo them on each other. Healing was more than enough to keep me safe from monsters. Good cash here!

I do have my concerns about crafting/economy… Im not sure with a 15 char limit if there will be much demand for player goods but I will say I have ALWAYS seen demand for raw resources Ore/Inggots/Boards/Leather even arrows and feathers. Good money to be made on farming resources and selling them to other crafters. Probably much more profitable than crafting them yourself.

I don’t see much greifing here… As always you will find your fair share at west brit bank but I mostly avoid that place.

One last thing about this shard... AFK macroing... If you dont mind doing it i would suggest getting familiar with Razor and learning to afk macroing. Since most of us who played UO in the glory days are professionals with families now time is the most valuable resource!

You could have a char with 100 Music/Provo/Healing/Hiding/Anat in a couple days of macroing while asleep or at work.

My screen time is limited so i take advantage of afk macroing (as i type from my office my alchem should be approaching gm and poisoning not far behind on my home pc...)

Lastly, if you need any help (a little cash, big stack of bandaids, some weaps or armor) just hit me up in IRC or drop me a PM. I'd be glad to help you get started.

Good Luck!

-Hoots

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About Covetous...its fairly close to the Bloodrock Orc territory and we'll often times raid it. We ambushed several umies last night. In the instance when I was there, we just took the gold and feathers. Typically we won't loot your armor or weapons and we'll even res you.

Btw, to whoever it was I killed...when you hide don't forget to tab out! Because you didn't tab out, all I had to do was run by you causing you to auto attack and unhide :-p
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Maybe you didn't know this DrFaustus, but having a tamer not only gives you access to the HIGHEST end monsters in the game.. but the WORST monsters (some of which you named) are even EASIER!!
Yes the ancient wyrm is a fairly tough spot to get thru, but there are SO many monsters that give you 500+ gold when you kill them and spawn WAY faster that it's really a dumb suggestion to say a tamer is no good because the high end spawns suck..
Can a dexer chill out at bottom level Deceit and make 10+k every 30mins? Absolutely not.. Can a dexer chill at the entrance to TeraKeep and make 10+k every 45min? No way..Same for Cyclopse Valley/Ophidian Lair/LVL 2 Destard/ALL areas of EVERY other dungeon.. You see where I'm going..
Anyways if yuor having trouble just roll with 10 Drags since there's no limit.. An all guard me will keep you more than safe.
Sorry for being a jerk but to tell him NOT to make a tamer because the people at the high end spawns are punks is rediculous!
That being said, YES taming takes a LONG time.. WELL worth it IMHO, but you want a hard template: try a cartographer with lockpicking.. much longer i think.

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Wow, I must say, the community turnout and response has been outstanding! Thank you all!

Faust, thanks for the welcome!

Xukluk Tuguznal, thanks for the clarification - I was always under the impression to use veterinary you needed to also have healing, as if it were an 'add-on' ability. Good to know it's not the case!

DrFaustus, chumbucket, and platy, I appreciate your opinions and insight. I've been macroing some basic skills on my first toon as a 'prep' to a mage/tamer, but as you noted it's going to take quite some time to raise (and money) - and honestly, I'd like to 'get started' playing ASAP. So I'm thinking I may sit this guy for a bit, at least so I can have some fun to start (i.e. actually play and not sit and macro), as I don't even have any runes or locations to recall around to for taming! Although what I may end up doing is continuing to AFK macro his basic skills while I'm at work or sleeping!

Hoots, it looks like I'll be going with one of the builds you suggested, or some variation, to begin with. I had a bard as well 'in the old days,' and he was a lot of fun, so I'll probably go with that. I never had a 'dexxer' but it might be fun to try! I'll send you a PM more about this! I also greatly appreciate your offer on supplies, money, etc, but I try not to be too much of a mooch - but I'll milk all the knowledge I can get out of you :lol:

Ronk, thanks for the warning! It seems very un-orc-like, but it is appreciated! Honestly, after reading the history (that was a novel in-itself!) and other information on your website, it sounds like the Bloodrocks could be a lot of fun! I've never really had an interest in orcs or their lore before, but your group has definitely made it look interesting and entertaining, to say the least!

And to everyone, thanks! Again, I'm already reminded why I miss this game, if only for such a great community who provides valuable feedback instead of flames for my noobish questions!

-Kat

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