Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy

[Hemperor]

I dont want to have to download another 3rd party program.. i dont even know , or a care what "Uo loop" is.

You also expect me to die and loose 100k (what all my charecers run at) so i can then call derrick and cry i was EUO Hacked. Then he would have to proove it somehow. This is laughable.

I think everytime you post it's laughable.

What the hell are you even talking about? Someone is going to EUO instant kill you?

Why the hell aren't they doing this right now? Which of the proposed changes would make them want to do this (not that it's even possible), is it the no percentage health?

Come on now, use your head, don't clutter a decent discussion.

[Hemperor]

If you read hostility in that reply then you are over reading.

I think it's clear what I mean by resources. Maybe you haven't worked for very long managing projects but programing and QA is perhaps the simplest part of a project. It's the support and policing of those changes that takes considerable resources. It shouldn't be too hard to imagine what the game and situation would become.

I addressed this point as well in my post.

[Kraarug]

I think you can pretty much be assured that nothing is going to change towards Razor in the short term.

Maybe something will be done once the shard gets closer to it's era accurate mechanics goal.

[tekai]

I fail to see how my valad oppionion is "cluttering this post".

You remove impressive razor macros, and those people using them will use impressive easy uo macros. The only differnce is I will no longer be on a level playing field. Its already annoying with people spamming attack last and other things. If you take away my ability to do so, your only empowering cheats. Also my comment about downloading yet another 3rd party program that other then in this thread ive never heard of is laughable, and valad. If you truly believe that turning parts of razor off will not make people use other programs you are seriously wrong.

[r0b]

Yo Hemp,

For someone who professes (often) to not play on this shard any longer...you sure spend a lot of time here.

[Hemperor]

I fail to see how my valad oppionion is "cluttering this post".

You remove impressive razor macros, and those people using them will use impressive easy uo macros. The only differnce is I will no longer be on a level playing field. Its already annoying with people spamming attack last and other things. If you take away my ability to do so, your only empowering cheats. Also my comment about downloading yet another 3rd party program that other then in this thread ive never heard of is laughable, and valad. If you truly believe that turning parts of razor off will not make people use other programs you are seriously wrong.

I think you are pretty well misinformed on the subject. None of the proposed changes should make pvp any harder, the only one affecting pvp would be the percentages of health.

This isn't UOGamers, I can't think of a situation where EUO would help you in PVP other than chain throwing pots. This is a rather obvious thing, and if someone were going to do it they would do it regardless of the restrictions on Razor.

The ability to stop certain hotkeys or macros to hotkeys isn't available, this isn't part of the proposition. The few macros that help pvp here, such as a hally refresh macro, would still be possible...There simply isn't anything that can be done about that.

In short, there is nothing EUO can really do to improve pvp, limiting Razor certainly wouldn't affect PVPers at all and certainly wouldn't turn them to use EUO. The only ones who would use EUO after limiting Razor are the same ones who do it now, resource macroers.

[Mirage]

I think the real problem is this community having a major fear of a less automated UO, which would hardly even be the case with the proposed changes other than those that are already doing things that were far far too complicated to have done automated back in the era.

Also, the EZ macro arguement is void. Google up the program, use it if you wish, that involves you commiting your computer completely. It functions in no way similar to Razor.

Anything that can be done with any other 3rd party programs can already be done, limiting Razor or not. By limiting Razor, the only thing this does is make it more OBVIOUS who are the ones using the other programs, extremely obvious infact.

Arguing with you is pointless, the economy is already ruined, stop complaining about AFK mining macros. People have hundreds of thousands of ingots stashed, people have millions and millions of gold. The shard is so small compared to OSI that farming is a joke, the economy isn't going to become a grindfest at any point on here. If they are AFK macroing mining then someone needs to be monitoring this at all times and ban the person, it's really simple. Disabling razor is NOT ACCURATE period. Wether it devotes your whole computer etc to the macro it doesn't matter it still serves the same purpose. There is not enough inaccurate options in razor to even bother with it, just let the subject rest.

[Zorce]

My first afk macro method consisted of a book holding my space bar down over night haha

[Hemperor]

I think the real problem is this community having a major fear of a less automated UO, which would hardly even be the case with the proposed changes other than those that are already doing things that were far far too complicated to have done automated back in the era.

Also, the EZ macro arguement is void. Google up the program, use it if you wish, that involves you commiting your computer completely. It functions in no way similar to Razor.

Anything that can be done with any other 3rd party programs can already be done, limiting Razor or not. By limiting Razor, the only thing this does is make it more OBVIOUS who are the ones using the other programs, extremely obvious infact.

Arguing with you is pointless, the economy is already ruined, stop complaining about AFK mining macros. People have hundreds of thousands of ingots stashed, people have millions and millions of gold. The shard is so small compared to OSI that farming is a joke, the economy isn't going to become a grindfest at any point on here. If they are AFK macroing mining then someone needs to be monitoring this at all times and ban the person, it's really simple. Disabling razor is NOT ACCURATE period. Wether it devotes your whole computer etc to the macro it doesn't matter it still serves the same purpose. There is not enough inaccurate options in razor to even bother with it, just let the subject rest.

This is essentially what you are saying:

The shard has already been damaged by these features a lot, why stop now?
Not all of Razor is inaccurate, so why disable the parts that are?

Can you also please explain the thought process you went through when deeming disabling inaccurate Razor features to be...inaccurate...?

[Duke Jones]

Arguing with you is pointless, the economy is already ruined, stop complaining about AFK mining macros. People have hundreds of thousands of ingots stashed, people have millions and millions of gold. The shard is so small compared to OSI that farming is a joke, the economy isn't going to become a grindfest at any point on here. If they are AFK macroing mining then someone needs to be monitoring this at all times and ban the person, it's really simple. Disabling razor is NOT ACCURATE period. Wether it devotes your whole computer etc to the macro it doesn't matter it still serves the same purpose. There is not enough inaccurate options in razor to even bother with it, just let the subject rest.

-When was the last time you used nightsight?
-How big is your in-game screen resolution?
-When was the last time you mis-clicked or fumbled at PVP?

All you are saying is "things already suck now, lets just give up and stop caring." And whether you think disabling razor is accurate or not, the fact is that there were policies back then. Sure they weren't AS strict with the enforcement as was indicated in policy, that was an issue of looking the other way for more customers. Here, customers aren't a problem.

This shard is a labor of love, not a means to a profit. Looking the other way to players violating policy shouldn't be an issue, here.

[Homie]

My first afk macro method consisted of a book holding my space bar down over night haha

classic

[Daelan]

I rather like my toothpick I used to use

[benson]

take out light levels.

[Mirage]

-When was the last time you used nightsight? Dread Lord days before I knew about third party apps.
-How big is your in-game screen resolution? The same size as it was during T2A.
-When was the last time you mis-clicked or fumbled at PVP? WTF are you talking about? This has nothing to do with razor, I rarely even use last target, target self.

All you are saying is "things already suck now, lets just give up and stop caring." And whether you think disabling razor is accurate or not, the fact is that there were policies back then. Sure they weren't AS strict with the enforcement as was indicated in policy, that was an issue of looking the other way for more customers. Here, customers aren't a problem.

I'm saying the features that Razor offers are accurate, and that's what this shard is about. Smart last targeting, and the extensive targeting system would probably be the only thing I could see inaccurate and available to remove. Hemp why do you think the economy on UO is out of control now? People were doing the same thing on OSI afk macroing resources. You don't remember this, nor all the third party apps because well....you were still in diapers around this time even though you claim to have played T2A. You guys might want to force everyone to start using 56K to connect to the shard too while you're at it, because even though they serve the exact same purpose it's still inaccurate for someone to be on a high-speed internet connection.

[Homie]

I rather like my toothpick I used to use

toothpick eh?

razor ramon ftw