I would like to Re initiate the Farmer Strike

[Clyde-]

How the fuck are you gonna sit there and complain about how you got killed and are tired of the pk's raping your shit and then throw this out there:

I can use 10 dragons.....i really just don't like to. When you tip the odds of you winning to the point that no one can challenge you, then there's no point.

Seriously man, this is YOUR FAULT..not the pk's, YOURS! You "choose not to tip the odds" well then that's your funeral. Speaking of solo pk's...you do understand that an intelligent deep stat-loss pk that actually goes out to earn a living by killing others, will more than likely roll in 2+ numbers. For you to go farm with 2 friggin dragons at the cove gazers and expect to only see one pk is delusional at best, bro.

As Sandro said, making a "kill" macro for each pet you have through razor is extremely simple, yet efficient. If a wyrm mass curses you have a 90% chance of making them all stop, and then hitting the kill macro through razor once again (WW's in large groups can insta rape with high end spells).

I assure you, if we were to have rolled up on you today and seen 4+ dragons neither of us would have bothered jacking with you simply because i dont feel like having them FB my ass down and send me into stat-loss at a moments notice.

It doesn't matter how, or why people pk the way they do now, the fact is that they have been around since the creation of UO and i would be more than willing to say they ran in much larger groups than alatar and myself alone.

Here's my question: If you're a tamer and have the access to obtaining (technically) as many dragons/wyrms as you want to...why are you allowing pk's to trample all over your ass simply because you don't want to "tip the balance," or what ever the fuck your reason is for not doing so, and then actually COMPLAINING about dying? Seriously, if i had a tamer and was getting ran over by reds and i'm carrying two dragons with me...you can BET YOUR ASS i'll start carrying 10 of them bad boys with me. Then we'll see who's getting ran over...

In the end, this is your own fault only because YOU have the ultimate choice over whether you die or not. You're a tamer man...think about it.

[Clyde-]

P.S. This server has grown drastically to numbers of 800+ on average..If you expect to not see a large increase in pk's as well then you need a reality check. I think it's time some of you (especially solo dexxers and newer players) who are trying to hunt, to start rolling in larger packs. When we run in and CONSISTENTLY find solo hunters over and over and over it's honestly like stealing candy from a baby. What chance does a single dexxer/bard/tamer (with 2 dragons) have against two pk's who are very good at what they do?

Too much independence is the problem...not the pk's.

[Mikel123]

Nightshark, I think they ARE working correctly. How you describe is how I found it to work here, last July at least.

Oh come on GK... Why else would these folks have multiple characters , all of which are red, in a 10 year old game, in which all they do is kill other players that are weaker and newer than them and have no desire or ability to fight them to begin with? Sandro clearly explained that he and the rest of the PKs out there do what they do for YOUR OWN GOOD.

[GuardianKnight]

Mikel explained a really good reason for avoiding the 10 dragon haul. It's a job to carry that many around and chances are you'll just get them gated out anyway. The feeding and healing by itself makes it a pain.

I was reading the t2a accuracy progress and discussion thread and quite a few of the issues discussed there were the social aspects and how the people aren't taking part in the actual game. I don't know what game you all were playing in 98 but the game i played had people who had some sort of understanding of each other and constantly had a set of rules they would follow.

Sure there were the pack of griefers you would find on all the shards, but to a degree everyone had a tad bit of empathy toward the other and tried to make the game work for everyone. Pks rezed the people they killed, gated people out, refused to kill another person's horse, said "good fight" after winning etc.

We don't have that here, we have "what can i do to piss this person off more each time we see them". Which pretty much erases the cases i stated above.

It all comes down to the fact we are playing an 11 year old game that everyone came back to for nostalgia and then threw it away for the same crap you see on the online army games on ps3 or xbox. Somehow UO players devolved.

[Clyde-]

Actually i pk because i just straight up enjoy that aspect of the game. TO ME, it's fun to roll out and just start attacking. Every video game i play has to do with competition and/or combat of some sort. I dont log on to mine ore, craft shoes, fish endlessly, hunt drakes, etc...i log on to pk/pvp. I started playing UO on freeshards a while back and was immediately thrown into the pvp scene and fell in love with the mechanics of it (UO is unlike any form of pvp i've ever played). To me, its fun to have a notorious name that people fear/hate/love which creates a different atmosphere. For us, we may roll over a lot of defenseless people, but that doesn't mean thats all we look for. it's not as though we go around picking on the weakest people and avoiding all else. A lot of the times we'll run into guilds that outnumber us and still stand there and fight, and actually win most of the time. Hell, i'll sit on screen with a stat loss pk w/ 40-50+ kills and actually fight back against 1v2 or 1v3's just because i enjoy the intensity of it. I've actually gone into statloss several times because of this which is why i dont stick around as much for outnumbered fights anymore because macroing is a pain in the ass. However, we aren't just "ruthless butchers" but we're also highly skilled duelers as well as solo field fighters. You'll find all different sorts of players on here but pk'ing is something you just have to learn to deal with. IMO giving up and "going on strike" is not the best way to go about it (how is that fun for you?).

Play the game to your enjoyment but dont expect everyone else to play the same way. So when your play style is confronted you either adapt....or gtfo!

[Clyde-]

My solution to carrying around alot of dragons? What i used to do when i used my tamer was carry 6 dragons and put them on 'guard.' Then i'd wait for the monster to spawn and i'd put myself between my pets and the monster. That way, the monster would attack me and my pets would all just swarm it because of the guard. Then i would never have to give a single command to kill OR to come back because after they kill it they immediately return to you. Sure pk's would come in but they wouldnt come on screen when they saw all my dragons and if they DID attack me, well....they have 6 dragons on guard to worry about, know what i mean?

p.s. carry invis item and gheal wand...may save your ass more than you realize.

[GuardianKnight]

Yeah well clyde i was a pvp tamer from 98 to 2003 and came here to a non era accurate nerfed tamer class that only got nerfed more everytime someone found a way to make it work again.

First off, all kill worked. Some things weren't put in patch notes simply to avoid player outrage.
Dragon speed wasn't as fast as wyrms but even in t2a they could keep up with me at the very least.
Dragons cured themselves when you put them in combat...they don't here. They rarely cast anything but magic missile and lightning/poison. You could say all guard me and then attack someone and the dragons would attack that person with you because you flagged on them...doesn't work here.

Dragons could fly over water to you and not get stuck on little things, they could also go through walls and be gated from the outside of a house if they got stuck in there. Also could step on a teleporter in moonglow while dragons were outside hedges and theyd teleport anywhere you went. non working here.

The whole tamer role has been held down to avoid killing off the pvper classes and it's obvious. I assume they wanted this server to have a hally mage atmosphere where none rivaled them so anything that challenges that needs toned down.

[Mikel123]

Some dragons can and do do e-bolt as fresh spawns. Not enough (should be damn-near 100%), but I'd estimate 50% in the limited sample I found.

So if you've had your dragons for a few months, they're likely pre-patch with nerfed magery.

The "all kill" stuff has been done to death. I "remembered" the same thing you did, but the evidence was overwhelmingly against it being around during t2a.

[DrFaustus]

Sounds like you're wanting to be lazy, and whining that you can't farm wherever you want safely.

I think these types of complaints only mean that the shard has grown dramatically. I can't remember a safe haven back on OSI...just leaving town was dangerous.

[Arkah]

It was a very long tiem ago and my memory is fuzzy, But magic creatrues didnt cure or heal themselves in T2A did they? i thought that came around when they upgraded the AI so NPCs walked around things and opened doors.

[MatronDeWinter]

GuardianKnight,
Help us, we do not farm, therefor cannot cease farming, nor do we pvp. Where should we vote?

[Dole]

I get ganked all of the time. Very few times have I lost more than 2k. Big deal. It's what makes this game great.

If you want to have a fighting chance make some friends in game to hunt with.

[Smelly Ira]

Actually i pk because i just straight up enjoy that aspect of the game. TO ME, it's fun to roll out and just start attacking. Every video game i play has to do with competition and/or combat of some sort. I dont log on to mine ore, craft shoes, fish endlessly, hunt drakes, etc...i log on to pk/pvp. I started playing UO on freeshards a while back and was immediately thrown into the pvp scene and fell in love with the mechanics of it (UO is unlike any form of pvp i've ever played). To me, its fun to have a notorious name that people fear/hate/love which creates a different atmosphere. For us, we may roll over a lot of defenseless people, but that doesn't mean thats all we look for. it's not as though we go around picking on the weakest people and avoiding all else. A lot of the times we'll run into guilds that outnumber us and still stand there and fight, and actually win most of the time. Hell, i'll sit on screen with a stat loss pk w/ 40-50+ kills and actually fight back against 1v2 or 1v3's just because i enjoy the intensity of it. I've actually gone into statloss several times because of this which is why i dont stick around as much for outnumbered fights anymore because macroing is a pain in the ass. However, we aren't just "ruthless butchers" but we're also highly skilled duelers as well as solo field fighters. You'll find all different sorts of players on here but pk'ing is something you just have to learn to deal with. IMO giving up and "going on strike" is not the best way to go about it (how is that fun for you?).

You know, the above is a reasonable post in many ways, the thing though is that such an overwhelming number of people seem to feel this way, they wanna play the bad guy and they have access to multiple clients, you do the math....there's a lot of pk's.

I don't know about the whole strike thing, but speaking as a newb, I pretty much gave up on farming quickly. Why should I be someones fodder, I wouldn't really wanna be in you and Sandro's "look at me" screenshot posts unless I was actually trying to fight you and died in the process (i''m sure a likely prospect should I ever fight you), rather than just trying to PvM. I have respect for the PvMer's who just keep on chugging, way too infuriating for me, I just made a Thunter instead.

IMO giving up and "going on strike" is not the best way to go about it (how is that fun for you?)

Play the game to your enjoyment but dont expect everyone else to play the same way. So when your play style is confronted you either adapt....or gtfo!

Isn't that what he's doing by not farming...adapting?

Since there's a bunch of different ways to make money, probably some folks don't feel compelled to be your loot cows, I know I don't, i'd rather die to you on my own terms than be your daily source of amusement while you make your rounds.

[Clyde-]

Im just saying...he doesn't have to stop farming to adapt. This game wasn't meant to play solo and expect to survive long, especially with our population.

Actually i just had an idea. What if you did this.Roll out with 10 dragons, lead them to a spot like the lich lords room in covetous for example. Lead the dragons to the doors where people come in and out of the room, and tell them all to stay. Then take two of the dragons to hunt in the room with while the other 8 are up top at the door so if ared comes up they'll get blasted by firebreaths. More than likely the red will stay away and try to figure something out while u run up and gate out, OR keep farming. Just command the two dragons you have (i.e. a kill, b kill) and name the other ones something else. Pretty good idea imo. And if a red recall's into the room on the inside where you are just run up to your pack of dragons for protection and recall/gate out. You could actually try this anywhere. Just place the "guard dogs" at a spot where reds come through (away from spawns LoS), and just use the other two to farm with.
This may take a little time setting up but i bet it would work if you did it right..and i know playing as a pk if i run up and see 8 dragons i turn my ass around and move on to kill someone else. But when i see a tamer with 2 dragons i dont even think twice about going for the quick kill.

[Alex21]

My response, make a series of crafters, they end up being more profitable then farming chars and any GM mage char can farm a dungeon, so might as well use your tank mage to kill the ancient wyrm.