Is the pvp better now then before?

[Biohazard]

But their is a group of us that win a lot. The same group that doesn't like the changes made. Obviously we do like 1999 pvp, or else none of us would have started playing this shard. Now that the shard changed, we don't like it anymore.

I personally cant wait till you all leave. Come back in a couple years when the shard is maybe close to done then you wont have to worry about changes so much. you knew when you signed up things change all the time... now that its something that you value, you wanna cry about it. quit crying, go play something else, and come back later.

[KydVicious]

Mages got screwed big time on this change

Its also pretty hilarious you douches would dis the shard's current #1 pvper

There's no "#1" pvper.

And by the way, I would have never even known a guy named Spanky even existed if it wasn't for tourney messages.

I never see him in-game, he only plays trammel. Who cares if he leaves? Who cares if Sandro leaves? The majority of this shard hasn't even heard of these players, they are never seen in the sandbox world called "Brittania" and "t2a".

Even if they leave there are plenty of pks that will keep the dungeons interesting with or without inactive guilds like cr3w or what have you.

You guys just don't like 1999 pvp, accept it and move on. Go play COD:Modern Warfare 2, sounds like your type of game /sarcasm

HOLY SHIT I'm actually in agreement with Psilo, then again he is a fellow LSer so I guess it can happen once and awhile. Sorry folks but 1999 PvP wasn't about hally machinegunning, if you weren't good at 5X mage dueling you weren't going to last very long. So it's s step in the right direction towards era accuracy when hally dueling takes a back seat to reliance on 5X dueling skill just as it was back in '99.

[nightshark]

There is no such thing as 5x mage duelling on this shard, most ebolts hit for about the same amount of damage that a mini heals. I don't really see any major "turn of the tables" when the patch is released, except survival will just get easier for everyone.

More reliance on wands/purples/etc

[Fede]

I personally cant wait till you all leave. Come back in a couple years when the shard is maybe close to done then you wont have to worry about changes so much. you knew when you signed up things change all the time... now that its something that you value, you wanna cry about it. quit crying, go play something else, and come back later.

I am obviously not crying about anything.

Psilo said, "Understood, I respect your opinion.
What's annoying me though is "top pvpers" making threats like "we're gonna take everyone with us".

I am waiting from a response from Derrick. To be honest, it's not looking to good for me. However, none of us said "we're gonna take everyone with us". But I have hopped on other shards and I am enjoying my time there. No idea who biohazard is but judging by his post I am at least making someone happy. And thank you for respecting my post. At this point I am just happy some of my oppositions are beginning to understanding. I personally enjoyed this shard, I spent about 3 months or so playing it. Another problem to bring up is, I really am disappointed in the sudden change. I wish Derrick would have brought the entire patch in one package. But even above that, I have no idea how long this shard has been going, but I know it's been caught some time and it's beginning to finally look like T2A. If I knew these changes were coming earlier, I wouldn't have continued playing and this thread wouldn't have started. Bad transfer of information I guess. To clear it up even more so and to be blunt, for gods sake, the administrators had a ton of time to create the shard as it is today.

That pretty much sums it up. Us thieves got hit hard by that patch that nerfed stealth, but w/e it's era accurate, which is why 99% of us play here.

My voting poll acts as an argument to your 99%.

The changes made were original game mechanics from T2A that have been implemented here....This is why I don't understand this sudden outcry and a half dozen threats of leaving the server over this recent change. So you like 99 pvp but you're upset that the server has made a change to be more like 99...?

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We like hally tank mages and laughing at dexxers. That is T2A for most people. I like it even more so now because Razor is involved and I don't have to pay 10 bucks a month. The object delay is ridiculous. It's obviously way to high when it takes me 10 minutes to prepare my character in regards to getting potions. People have problems with bandaids, I may or may no have the same problem depending. I am lazy to type it out, but I rather you guys think a little anyways, but object delay, and using it to fix hally equip timers is incorrect. Razor is the most premier 3rd party program in UO, and it alone makes the equip and unequip so fast, even on default RUNUO shards. Try using options in your paperdoll to unequip and equip your hally. That is what OSI was like regardless of object delay.

This server aims to replicate the T2A era, not offer customized pvp mechanics to accommodate the preferences of a minority of players. If you like t2a mechanics, great...everyday this server is getting more and more like the era. If you want mechanics that weren't a part of the era.....Sorry?[/quote

This is the argument of, "The way I want it to be." and the "The way I should make it for more people to attend my shard." In addition to that, more and more like OSI T2A? Giving different mounts different stamina?

[KydVicious]

Duly noted shark, I will concede that there's a ways to go as far as the PvP on this shard being era accurate, but like I said it's a step in the right direction. To be era accurate in regards to the spell and melee mechanics of '99 it's going to take some time on the part of the staff and a good deal of patience on ours.

[MatronDeWinter]

This is the argument of, "The way I want it to be." and the "The way I should make it for more people to attend my shard." In addition to that, more and more like OSI T2A? Giving different mounts different stamina?

Anyone suggesting era-accuracy is not saying "The way I want it to be". I actually think the era-accuracy is one of the main things holding the shard together. I can safely play knowing that next week Derrick won't introduce some stupid patch making halberds neon +50 damage, because that is not how it was in t2a. The mission statement on the main webpage is very clear about the servers intent, I don't see how you would not see these changes coming.

Also your "poll" really means nothing because almost nobody votes on them. When there is a big poll on the forums you see what, 30 total votes max? Well, there are 550+ unique IP's online at any given time, that suggests there are more than 550 individual players, because the same people are not online 24/7 I imagine. That's not to mention the possibility of multiple-votes by single people..

What is a 90% vote on a poll with 30 total votes?

Still a minority. (Like ~5%)

edit: Oops, my mistake, there are 41 votes, but only 22 are anti-patch. The number should be ~4%

[Downs]

Also your "poll" really means nothing because almost nobody votes on them. When there is a big poll on the forums you see what, 30 total votes max? Well, there are 550+ unique IP's online at any given time, that suggests there are more than 550 individual players, because the same people are not online 24/7 I imagine. That's not to mention the possibility of multiple-votes by single people..

What is a 90% vote on a poll with 30 total votes?

Still a minority. (Like ~5%)

edit: Oops, my mistake, there are 41 votes, but only 22 are anti-patch. The number should be ~4%

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Maybe 1/2 the community uses the forums regularly.

I do know how ya feel tho, some of the patches that change things aren't always ideal. Give it a chance tho. The thieves hated the snooping reveals patch, but we can still get by. Hally mages will be able to get by

[Biohazard]

I personally cant wait till you all leave. Come back in a couple years when the shard is maybe close to done then you wont have to worry about changes so much. you knew when you signed up things change all the time... now that its something that you value, you wanna cry about it. quit crying, go play something else, and come back later.

I am obviously not crying about anything.

threatening to quit over changes = crying.

bitching is one thing.. quitting over them.. especially ones you should expect since this shard is trying to move towards era accuracy. changes(patches) happen all around you the whole time you are here.. you just dont notice them because they dont disrupt the balance of your fragile little pvp existence. T2A is more than pvp. you are even being told that there are more changes going in to coincide with the current change and you simply cannot and will not wait to see what is going to happen overall in the big picture because you guys are so miffed currently you all refuse to handle it like a men. suck it up and wait it out and see what happens. that is all i am saying.

I think everyone has a problem with some small aspect of T2A and would change it how they wanted if they could.

It's not that i dont respect you.. its just that everyone else endures stuff they dont like and hang around and continue playing. why cant you?

[Guerrilla]

Why U so serious ?!?!

[Jimi[DF]]

The horse stamina seems to have gone from one extreme to the other. I do remember horse stamina being an issue in pvp only after running around for like 5 minutes straight. As it is now fresh store bought horse seem to fatigue extremely fast. I have had two horses attacked already with razor macros when I was stuck and had to refresh. If field pvp comes down to killing each others horses on this shard that will be very sad indeed, and is something I sure do not remember from my time playing. I think there must be a happy medium out there with horse stamina.
As for the equip delay, I will just wait until the new timers go to test before I pvp anymore. No sense learning timing on something that will be changes eventually anyway. Probably could have just waited with the delay and implement it with the entire pvp overhaul so all the leet hally cyclers wouldn't start crying right away.
Right now pvp is pretty broken, but I am hopeful the future pvp patch will provide a more authentic OSI experience then the hally macro monkey pvp that was prevalent before.

[Faust]

The action delay fix was on my 'must be implemented' list with the upcoming combat changes for the new swing timer along with multiple other issues. However, the implications that the action delay has on other instances in game ranging from pvp, pvm, to muling are far stretching. It's no surprise that it was finally added before the overhaul to the new swing timer.

[Fede]

Fede wrote:
Biohazard wrote:
I personally cant wait till you all leave. Come back in a couple years when the shard is maybe close to done then you wont have to worry about changes so much. you knew when you signed up things change all the time... now that its something that you value, you wanna cry about it. quit crying, go play something else, and come back later.


I am obviously not crying about anything.


threatening to quit over changes = crying.

bitching is one thing.. quitting over them.. especially ones you should expect since this shard is trying to move towards era accuracy. changes(patches) happen all around you the whole time you are here.. you just dont notice them because they dont disrupt the balance of your fragile little pvp existence. T2A is more than pvp. you are even being told that there are more changes going in to coincide with the current change and you simply cannot and will not wait to see what is going to happen overall in the big picture because you guys are so miffed currently you all refuse to handle it like a men. suck it up and wait it out and see what happens. that is all i am saying.

I think everyone has a problem with some small aspect of T2A and would change it how they wanted if they could.

It's not that i dont respect you.. its just that everyone else endures stuff they dont like and hang around and continue playing. why cant you?

Okay. Their are a ton of problems in your post, I am not here to educate you, so I am going to leave you alone on this one. And probably never respond to you again. That is the, "man" thing to do by the way.

I do know how ya feel tho, some of the patches that change things aren't always ideal. Give it a chance tho. The thieves hated the snooping reveals patch, but we can still get by. Hally mages will be able to get by

Apples and oranges. Another gentleman said the pvp system as of now is broken, and I couldn't agree more. Therefore, I was trying to stop a disaster with the information in front of me which is the horse stamina and object delay. Whether or not the additional patch is going to be a huge turn around or not, I will give it a chance and I will decide from there. However, anymore delay on this so called life saver of a patch is taking its good ol' time and I am still stuck in slow motion, damn near impossible to win or lose, and annoying pvp.

Edit: Biohazzard, I decided to not to leave you in the dark. Let me give it to you in an example you may understand. You love Mcdonalds. You go to Mcdonalds because of their delicious food. You get a notice that their changing their entire menu to a vegetarian diet. Are you just going to, what you say, man up and bend over to McDonalds corporation and get hammered in the ass? Well I don't know how you that well, and you might like it, but I imagine not. So you being the decent individual you are, you decide I am going to write a letter to the corporation, and encourage other Mcdonalds fanatics to do the same to bring that healthy Big Mac back to your lap. What if the corporation refuses to do so? uh oh! No more big macs! Well, you have 3 choices. 1. Continue the fight. 2. Go to their competitors, like Wendy's. Finally 3. Do the rational thing and do both! Continue to persuade and get other fanatics to continue on with you and satisfy your burger lovin' life with Wendy's untill then.

In my case, Derrick plays the Mcdonalds Corporation.

[Feldeath]

Fede wrote:


Edit: Biohazzard, I decided to not to leave you in the dark. Let me give it to you in an example you may understand. You love Mcdonalds. You go to Mcdonalds because of their delicious food. You get a notice that their changing their entire menu to a vegetarian diet. Are you just going to, what you say, man up and bend over to McDonalds corporation and get hammered in the ass? Well I don't know how you that well, and you might like it, but I imagine not. So you being the decent individual you are, you decide I am going to write a letter to the corporation, and encourage other Mcdonalds fanatics to do the same to bring that healthy Big Mac back to your lap. What if the corporation refuses to do so? uh oh! No more big macs! Well, you have 3 choices. 1. Continue the fight. 2. Go to their competitors, like Wendy's. Finally 3. Do the rational thing and do both! Continue to persuade and get other fanatics to continue on with you and satisfy your burger lovin' life with Wendy's untill then.

In my case, Derrick plays the Mcdonalds Corporation.

That's a terrible analogy. A better one would be that you love a knock off restaurant called McDougal's which strives to be like McDonald's. The food isn't quite the same but it is close. You grow to love the current McDougal's menu even more than McDonald's. Then McDougal's changes their menu to be even more like McDonald's and you bitch because you liked how things were on the old menu better even though McDougal's whole mission is to mimic McDonald's.

[Downs]

how is it apples and oranges? It's pretty basic

Stealth Change:
A change happened that effects the main thing i do & I don't like

PvP Changes:
A change happend that effects the main thing you do & you don't like


The only difference is I didn't quite say Derrick hammered thieves in the ass.

Are you just going to, what you say, man up and bend over to McDonalds corporation and get hammered in the ass?

In my case, Derrick plays the Mcdonalds Corporation.

If you really want to fight the change, come up with proof as to how it was and present that in place of your polite rage posts. If the mechanics of the shard aren't for you, we apologize for wasting your time & can I have your stuff?

[Faust]

haha, +1 for Feldeath.