Attack last and tabbing

[Faust]

I have no idea if the "timeout" phase actually worked or not in game...

If what you say is true than that would be mighty strange. All that I am saying is that the "timeout" phase does disable the tabbing process in the demo if you repeat it one too many times. It would seem VERY strange that you could still send a packet for tabbing even though it appeared disfunctional during the delay proces...

Why would a delay be put in place if it didn't actually work to prevent packets from being sent?

It just doesn't make any sense to me at all if this truly is the case...

Edit:
Sorry, you are quitting over this problem Hemp... I don't know why you can't just be patient and wait until a precise description of this function can be confirmed one way or the other. It isn't that big of a deal until that day comes. :/

[Hemperor]

Edit:
Sorry, you are quitting over this problem Hemp... I don't know why you can't just be patient and wait until a precise description of this function can be confirmed one way or the other. It isn't that big of a deal until that day comes. :/

Never once said I was quitting over this, infact I'm being nice enough to share the rest of my accuracy knowledge before I eternally vanish!

http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3409

Summary:

Find a way so people crash if they got a macro spamming tab the entire time, its retarded seeing people run around with autotab looped, i dont think i ever saw people with this kind of macro in t2a and it shouldnt be here either. I don't exactly know how to fix it, but since im in suggestions i figure someone here could come up with something from this.

Lets hear it!

The only reason people didn't abuse auto defend during t2a is because there was no attack last macro to loop it unlike now. Hallies were used extensively during t2a Jaster.

LOL

I do have a very theoretical solution to this which has neither been coded or tested so there are no promised fixes at this time although any proposed fix will only be intended to target the uses of attack and tabbing which were specifically unavailable to people when this combat system existed (i.e. macro looping of both), and will not be intended or desired to effect regular combat.

[archaicsubrosa77]

If you can insta hit, then you can attack last and you can tab...you all have done it and are only griping because others are doing it.

Maybe its you not the gameplay that should evolve.

Watch how the cookie cutter temps crumble.

[Hemperor]

If you can insta hit, then you can attack last and you can tab...you all have done it and are only griping because others are doing it.

Maybe its you not the gameplay that should evolve.

Watch how the cookie cutter temps crumble.

You honestly have no idea what you are talking about or commenting on, do you?

Cute.
^_^

[Faust]

I thought that you were quitting because of this based on your "quit" thread since you complained about the feature. This was before hearing about the 50k duel that you lost to Pro that you didn't pay up was the real reason behind you quitting. I am sorry for jumping to conlusions on the reason...

Anyways, here is what happened to fix tab/attack last looping....

What was added was the same penalty as "movement" towards your combat delay when sending the packets. What does this mean? When you spam a loop macro for tab your combat timer will not be elapsing each time you send that packet no different than if you were running in place. That was what was added that was "picking and choosing" son, not adding this "tab" throttle that was ALREADY in place to begin with. I have told you this time after time in the past but you continue to deny this fact.

The only throttle that was added to these two functions that you are suggesting is to attack last. It had absolutely NO throttle at all prior to the patch note that I showed you already when you brought this topic up. The tab throttle hasn't been TOUCHED even ONCE in the code. Derrick has already told me this too...

I said the very same thing back on the first page of this thread that you neglected to read...

The only "unproven game mechanic" that was ever added when you hit tab or attack was that it would pause your weapon delay timer similar to the movement restriction each and every time you used the function. That is what terminated "looping" of the features, not an implemention of a throttle that has always existed. The "Theory" behind this was that your character makes a movement animation when you hit the tab key while sitting still giving the assumption that tabbing would pause the timer. I think it was a theory that was more than welcome at that time since it would combat an abuse running rampant created by Razor that wasn't possible during this era.

Also, please stop bringing up old posts about attack last... Pretty much everyone including you presumed attack last did not exist during the t2a era. This was partially true for the first half. However, the attack last function was proven by ME that it existed in era to begin with way after that post took place. Hiding facts like this makes you lose an enormous amount of credibility unfortunately.

[Tron]

If you can insta hit, then you can attack last and you can tab...you all have done it and are only griping because others are doing it.

Maybe its you not the gameplay that should evolve.

Watch how the cookie cutter temps crumble.

wtf are you talking about?

stop it.

[alatar]

I didn't bother reading the entire thing. I clearly remember the patch that added the "throttle delay" or w/e you want to call it to the attack last & tab actions. I remember Andy, specifically, would always run a tabbing macro, along with a few other people.

I don't even see how its in question whether or not this was added. I can't say if its still this way, but it was definitely added at one point. They put this in because everyone was crying about people running "attack last" spams in Razor with 0 delay. How can you say this never happened..?

It was pretty easy to just run a tab/macro and then hit attack last when you wanted to use your swing, that was the only way to successfully avoid the asshats using attack last spam..

[Hemperor]

I didn't bother reading the entire thing. I clearly remember the patch that added the "throttle delay" or w/e you want to call it to the attack last & tab actions. I remember Andy, specifically, would always run a tabbing macro, along with a few other people.

I don't even see how its in question whether or not this was added. I can't say if its still this way, but it was definitely added at one point. They put this in because everyone was crying about people running "attack last" spams in Razor with 0 delay. How can you say this never happened..?

It was pretty easy to just run a tab/macro and then hit attack last when you wanted to use your swing, that was the only way to successfully avoid the asshats using attack last spam..

thank you...every single player other than faust remembers this.

[alatar]

Imagine that.

[Faust]

Well it was quite obvious that you did not read it all Alatar...

First, no one is arguing that attack last received a throtlte. The argument is that "tab" received a throttle even though that throttle already existed prior to this claim by Hemperor.

Here is the patch note - Patch 100 - May 8, 2009: Spell recovery, Action delay, more.Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:05 am for the attack/list/use throttles.

Does anyone see a mention of tab in there?

No, it's because it already existed. The only change to tab that removed looping spams was the one that I listed above that paused your combat delay everytime you sent a packet for tab. This removed the ability to spam it over and over repeatedly since you would not be able to EVER swing.

Oh, Faust where is the proof that tab didn't receive a throttle!

The tab throttle works by catching the event action and if so many are called in a specific period of time it times out for 2 seconds.

What is the date on that EVERYONE!?!?

Patch 99 - April 23, 2009 - Last double digit patch.

How long was that posted before the "throttle" patch?

Do the math?

Patch 100 - May 8, 2009
Patch 99 - April 23, 2009



I won't gloat about being right as usual.

Thanks, enough said on this topic.

[Hemperor]

I didn't bother reading the entire thing. I clearly remember the patch that added the "throttle delay" or w/e you want to call it to the attack last & tab actions. I remember Andy, specifically, would always run a tabbing macro, along with a few other people.

I don't even see how its in question whether or not this was added. I can't say if its still this way, but it was definitely added at one point. They put this in because everyone was crying about people running "attack last" spams in Razor with 0 delay. How can you say this never happened..?

It was pretty easy to just run a tab/macro and then hit attack last when you wanted to use your swing, that was the only way to successfully avoid the asshats using attack last spam..

Are you ignoring Alatar's post, Faust? Every other PVPer from this time will tell you that there was no throttle on tab as well.

Please stop writing essays to cover your wrongs, no one gives a shit.

[Tron]

I don't remember a throttle on tab ever.

I remember when we added it here, that's about it.

I used to run tab macros, ran one when I first started here for a few days too.

[alatar]

Lol. Your a tool Faust. I ran a tab macro when it was necessary to do so. Don't try to cover anything up. I still have the same macro and it doesn't work as it did then..

I wonder why...

[Faust]

No one is saying that you couldn't run a macro moron...

Read the post for a change and quit being an idiot.

[alatar]

Read the post for a change and quit being an idiot.

Really...? ....